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Please read this entire text, yes? This page is one of the most visited on this site. Like everything else on this site, this page is here only to invite you to know and read the books of my authorship in CCDB Livros section of this site. The site itself is sustained by the purchasing of reading time by people who honor me, reading the books in CCDB Livros - if CCDB Livros did not exist, there would not be this site and you would not have at your disposal which it offers to download for free: poetry, animation, music, movies, files, samples, thousands of illustrations, security, Virtual Private Server (VPS) speed and more. If you like this page, do not forget to visit CCDB Livros, where you will see complete, objective and easy exposure on reading, including short films with statements very simple to understand and remember. Only in CCDB Livros you can read the books I wrote. These books go beyond all that I created earlier in the life as a craftsman, musician, writer and electronics technician - which includes the Guitarras de Ouro (Golden Guitars), the famous Speaker Enclosures, the audio devices, the Mutantes (Brazilian Greatest Rock Group of All Times) and anything else for which you believe to know me. The sonority of reading the book “Géa” surpasses the legendary sound of the Golden Guitars! If you think I deserve to be really known; if you read, like, want to promote Brazil and our magnificent language, please disclose CCDB Livros and the books! In Leitura Ecológica (Ecological Reading) ® we does not kill trees to read online. The books open at once, no need to download them or take up space on your computer. The dictionary Livro Treze (Book Thirteen) online, exclusive of “Géa”, is the result of several years of my full-time job and contains over thirty thousand entries - the lexicon in “Géa” is double that of William Shakespeare in all its work and six times that of Camões in “The Lusiads” - and that is not the “only” thing why “Géa” excels! To create the first two Golden Guitars I worked eight months; to create “Géa”, eight years. For the Livro Treze (Book Thirteen) “Géa”, five more years. In total the work and its dissemination, several decades. I ask you! Appreciate the work of a Brazilian! Read!!!

- CCDB 02/16/2013

 

GÉA NA EN WIKI (GÉA ON THE ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA)
English Wikipedia (Wikipédia em Inglês)


(As imagens abaixo são print-screens da página Géa no primeiro dia em que foi aprovada e publicada na En Wiki. Hoje a página pode estar aprimorada e deve ser vista na própria En Wiki). (The images below are print-screens of the page Géa in the first day when the page was accepted and published in En Wiki. Today the same page may be improved and should be seen in the own En Wiki).- CCDB - 23-05-2011 (CCDB 05/23/2011)

Veja, por favor: (See, please:) CCDB na Pt Wiki, CCDB na Pt Wiki - página antiga, Guitarra de Ouro na Pt Wiki, CCDB na En Wiki e Os Nus deste Site - Brasil Censurado

Veja outrossim (See also) Ficha Wikipédia de CCDB aparece e desaparece nas pesquisas via Google!

Veja também (See also) English Pages

DIA 17 DE JUNHO DE 2011 A PÁGINA “GÉA” FOI APAGADA NA ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA APÓS UMA CRUZADA CONTRA O AUTOR E A OBRA MOVIDA POR BRASILEIROS

(AT JULY 17, 2011 THE PAGE “GÉA” WAS ERASED IN THE ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA AFTER A CRUZADE AGAINST THE AUTHOR AND THE OPUS MOVED BY BRAZILIANS)

DIA 19 DE JUNHO DE 2011 A PÁGINA “CLÁUDIO CÉSAR DIAS BAPTISTA” FOI APAGADA NA ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA APÓS UMA CRUZADA CONTRA O AUTOR E A OBRA MOVIDA POR BRASILEIROS

(AT JULY 17, 2011 THE PAGE “CLÁUDIO CÉSAR DIAS BAPTISTA” WAS ERASED IN THE ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA AFTER A CRUZADE AGAINST THE AUTHOR AND THE OPUS MOVED BY BRAZILIANS)

Veja essa discussão abaixo das imagens da página! (See, in English, the discussion below the images on this page!)

Agradeço a todos os defensores da permanência da página na En Wiki; mas, entre outros motivos, para ter página de livro na En Wiki não se pode possuir um léxicon duas vezes maior do que o de William Shakespeare em toda a sua obra. - CCDB 17 - Jun - 2011 e 19 - Jun - 2011 (I thank all the supporters of the permanence of the page in the English Wikpedia, however, among other reasons, to have a page in the English Wikipedia we can not have a lexicon twice that of William Shakespeare in all his work. - CCDB June 17, 2011 and June 19, 2011)

A página das imagens acima chegou a ser bem mais completa. As imagens mostram a primeira versão.

Eis, nos dois próximos quadros abaixo, a estatística de visitação das páginas “Géa” e “Cláudio César Dias Baptista” na En Wiki, desde que foram criadas por alguém que não eu, até o dia anterior ao seu apagamento.

Os administradores da En Wiki não permitiram que tais páginas permanecessem, talvez por ser proibido possuir léxicon duas vezes maior do que o de William Shakespeare e ter sido membro dos Mutantes para ter página de livro e de autor na En Wiki.

 

ESTATÍSTICA DA PÁGINA “CLÁUDIO CÉSAR DIAS BAPTISTA” NA EN WIKI

 

AS ESTATÍSTICAS DA PÁGINA GÉA E/OU DA PÁGINA
CLÁUDIO CÉSAR DIAS BAPTISTA SUPERARAM
AS ESTATÍSTICAS DAS PÁGINAS DE

Os Mutantes

Caetano Veloso

Gilberto Gil

Rita Lee

Machado de Assis

 

CCDB toca no festival de MPB com os outros Mutantes e Gilberto Gil - “mov” produzido pela BOSSANOVAFILMS em 2012, comprova a participação intensa de Cláudio César Dias Baptista - CCDB no conjunto musical Os Mutantes que criou com Raphael Vilardi, inclusive tocando com Arnaldo Baptista, Sérgio Dias, Rita Lee e Gilberto Gil no festival de MPB (TV Record) onde apresentaram a canção “2001”.

 

Porém certos brasileiros moveram uma cruzada contra a página "Géa" e ela foi apagada da En Wiki. Continuaram movendo sua cruzada contra a página "Cláudio César Dias Baptista" que, no momento em que escrevi isto pela vez primeira, estava mutilada e servia mais como desinformação do que como informação. Felizmente (sic) dois dias depois foi apagada também a página "Cláudio César Dias Baptista", o que eliminou tal desinformação. Leia você mesmo as discussões abaixo e tire suas próprias conclusões. Atente ao fato de que várias defesas importantes foram simplesmente apagadas da "discussion" pelo grupo dos referidos brasileiros na En Wiki, o qual imputou-as a mim, que não as fiz. E não as poderia fazer mesmo que quisesse, assinando o meu nome, porquanto bloquearam e depois apagaram a minha conta de membro na En Wiki, a qual eu abrira tão-somente para poder vigiar as páginas que outros brasileiros criaram sobre mim e o livro "Géa". Essas defesas apagadas não se acham nas cópias das "discussions", abaixo. Essas cópias são fiéis ao código-fonte das páginas das discussões e não contêm edições de minha parte, salvante a reposição das defesas que pude recuperar. Os atacantes continuaram uma animada conversa fiada entre si no final da "discussion" da página que tem por título o meu nome até logo antes de a apagarem, gloriando-se com seu ato como se fosse uma vitória. Quanto a mim, sinto-me vitorioso e muito feliz (além de gratíssimo aos defensores), porque as estatísticas da própria En Wiki presentes nesta página atestam a visitação maior das páginas apagadas, se comparada com a visitação das páginas daqueles a quem os atacantes assaz veneram. - CCDB - 18-06-2011

 

DISCUSSÃO NA EN WIKI QUE RESULTOU NO APAGAMENTO DA PÁGINA “GÉA”

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Related to the AfD for the author [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]]. This book does not appear to meet [[WP:N]]. While the Portuguese language sources are a little hard to sort out, none appear to be significant coverage. [[User:Daniel J. Leivick|<span style="text-shadow:#BBBBBB 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Daniel</span>]] 15:36, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

:The article [[Géa]] and the page [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] which En Wiki members considered at first good to be published here are suffering a political attack from the En Wiki member named Antiuser.[[User:Cláudio César Dias Baptista|Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] ([[User talk:Cláudio César Dias Baptista|talk]]) 16:03, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
::::'''Comment:''' All I did was remove a piece of [[WP:OR|original research]] from the article. The matter is being discussed at [[WP:AN/I#WikiHounding / Article ownership issues / Possible IP socks.]] <span style="color:green;background:green">X</span><span style="color:white;background:white">X</span><span style="color:red;background:red">X</span> '''[[User:antiuser|antiuser]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:antiuser|eh?]]</sup> 16:30, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

* '''delete''' It's very long, but that doesn't convey notability and not much else is seeming to. Besides, any book with a technicolour fractal on the cover and that isn't by Mandelbrot or similar should be burned. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 16:04, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

::**'''Anyone''' who says that any book should be burned should be burned him/herself.[[Special:Contributions/187.14.113.31|187.14.113.31]] ([[User talk:187.14.113.31|talk]]) 16:17, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Please cool down, Andy was making a joke. I'm sure he didn't mean that the book should actually be burned, just that the cover was not to his taste. --[[User:Daniel J. Leivick|<span style="text-shadow:#BBBBBB 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Daniel</span>]] 16:31, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
:::: No, I've read the whole article now. BURN! [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 17:08, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

As you see, dear Daniel, Andy is insisting in his childishness. You have a clearer mind, please read again the article and consider the sources mentioned there as the importance they really have in Brazil and Portuguese language countries. The book is great, I've read it! You can read it too, in www.ccdb.gea.nom.br, as I see by your phrase 'Portuguese language sources are a little hard to sort out'; so, you can read Portuguese to judge the quality of these sources and, so, you can also read the book! If you like Portuguese language, you will love to read the book as I did and, perhaps, as myself, learn a lot of that great language - there is no better source today, and the book [[Géa]] includes a thousand page dictionary also delightful to people who love Portuguese language. If not by the language, the lexicon twice William Shakespeare, you may be perhaps enchanted with the histories inside the twelve volumes of the book. Regards[[Special:Contributions/187.14.112.27|187.14.112.27]] ([[User talk:187.14.112.27|talk]]) 17:43, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
:<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Literature|list of Literature-related deletion discussions]]. <!--Template:Deletion sorting--></small> <small>— [[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 01:28, 11 June 2011 (UTC)</small>
*'''Delete''' - On the Portuguese Wikipedia, there is an article for the author, but even there, not for the book. The sources are just not robust enough to support a separate article for the book. Also, the article text is really fails to establish why the book is notable, other than opinion and plot summary. <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">[[User:Jsfouche|<span style="background:#191970;color:#FF8C00;padding:0 4px">jsfouche &#9789;&#9790;</span>]][[User talk:Jsfouche|<font color="navy"></font>Talk]]</font> 01:49, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

**'''Do not delete''' - Let's be rational and cool, analyzing the page. Here are the positive points: The author invested more than ten years of his life in writting a book, moreover, a twelve 250 pages volume book. The author composed a 1,000 pages dictionary to complement the book. The author utilized a lexicon twice the William Shakespeare lexicon in his whole opera and six times the lexicon of Camões in "Os Lusíadas". The author created a new language with extra words, doesn't matter if it's named an 'extraterrestrial language' or not. The author illustrated himself the twelve volumes with more than 700 3D pictures, so, he had to learn 3D Computer Graphics to do these illustrations and also the thirteen covers for [[Géa]]. The author studied programming languages for computer to create himself the active pages in a site also created by himself to publish himself the book. The author applied his audio experience to perfection the sound of the reading. The author wrote also metrified poems inside the book. The author of [[Géa]] composed music for the book. The author proposed complete inventions in the books which could work if tested in laboratory. The author abandoned his profitable carreer in audio to write the book. The author created more than one thousand characters for the book. The description of these characters is interesting in the page [[Géa]]. The author presented a Theory, the 'biorrelatividade' in the book. The stories presented in the page are captivating for people who has the habit of reading books - at least they captivate myself. The quantity of references is more than enough and the quality of some of these references is unquestionable, as it's the case of the reporting in [[Jornal da Tarde]], in the Revista Trip (very important in Brazil). And here are the negative points: The book is written in Portuguese, not yet translated to English; Brazil is not England nor USA; people who see the page [[Géa]] here in En Wiki can't easily judge the merit of the book because they can't read it. Now I ask myself: Are those negative poits really negative? Is not perhaps an injustice being done against a perhaps great work as it was done also against [[Don Quixote]] of [[Miguel de Cervantes]] and so many great books which were recognized long time after their writting? Or as the pictures of [[Vincent van Gogh]], who sold only one of them during his life and which were recognized so late? If you search En Wiki for pages about other books, you will see that very few, if any, has the merits I mentioned above for the book [[Géa]]. So, I am forced to conclude that the cause of the deletion proposal is not the lack of importance of the opus, but another unknown cause, external to the page itself. And I don't want to be one of the persons who will be remembered as the ones who deleted the page of a book that shows everything to be perhaps recognized as a great work. I vote for the permanence of the page in En [[Géa]] in En Wiki.[[User:William T. Johannes|William T. Johannes]] ([[User talk:William T. Johannes|talk]]) 02:53, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

:: ' ''The author invested more than ten years of his life in writting a book'' '
:: That's his problem. Did anyone pay heed to the end result? That's ours. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 08:04, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
:::'''Note:''' I have blocked [[user:William T. Johannes]] as a [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Cláudio César Dias Baptista|checkuser-confirmed sockpuppet]] of [[user:Cláudio César Dias Baptista]]. [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD|talk]]) 19:17, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
'''Let the page complete during its judgement!''' I noted that this Antiuser is removing important information from the page [[Géa]] during its period of judgement for deletion. That's not a good policy. I would kindly suggest that the page is semi-protected in its ''complete'' form during that period. How can people judge the merit of a page which content is being reduced? That procedure is not what I understand as Justice nor what I understand as En Wiki policy.[[Special:Contributions/187.13.17.74|187.13.17.74]] ([[User talk:187.13.17.74|talk]]) 03:14, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

: '''Do not delete, please''' - I would ask them not delete nothing in the text. If it is a text that talks about a book or author is a way to have thorough research on it.I read the book [[Géa]] and I found everything the article written here on En Wiki informs thus removing some of the text as it would erase part of the book and the story of the author. Any of you ever read a book and thought the best part of the book, the pages are blank? That's what I imagine to deleting some of the text that refers to something, like we're erasing part of it. I ask you to please leave the full text of [[Géa]], otherwise they will be erasing part of the book, not just the description, for future readers may not know what the book actually contains. [[Special:Contributions/201.75.82.71|201.75.82.71]] ([[User talk:201.75.82.71|talk]]) 13:38, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

* '''Delete''' per [[WP:N]]. The attempts to establish notability demonstrate the lack of it. [[User:NebY|NebY]] ([[User talk:NebY|talk]]) 16:56, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

**'''Do not delete'''. The attempts to estabilish notability demonstrate that it is real.[[Special:Contributions/187.13.68.58|187.13.68.58]] ([[User talk:187.13.68.58|talk]]) 17:18, 11 June 2011 (UTC) <small>— [[User:187.13.68.58|187.13.68.58]] ([[User talk:187.13.68.58|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/187.13.68.58|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small>
::*[[WP:ITEXISTS]] is a ''very poor'' argument for keeping, and one that ''makes no demonstration of notability whatsoever''. <font face="Antiqua, serif">''[[User:Hrafn|Hrafn]]<sup>[[User talk:Hrafn|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Hrafn|Stalk]]</sub><sup>''('''[[M:Precisionism|P]]''')</sup></font> 07:29, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
**'''Do not delete!'''. Well, that is a big disrespect to Brazilian literature. You guys are not talking about a mere book of 10 pages written "yesterday", but an entire collection, which took 10 years to writes it. It is a richly detailed stories, never told by no one else! GEA is a series of books with differentiated and intelligent language, which is not found in any other book in Brazil. I believe GEA is part of the highest Brazilian literature, it is very important to all Brazilians. [[User:Likalileal|Likalileal]] ([[User talk:Likalileal|talk]]) 14:47, 12 June 2011 (UTC) <small>— [[User:Likalileal|Likalileal]] ([[User talk:Likalileal|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Likalileal|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small>

*'''Delete:''' no indication that this topic meets [[WP:NBOOK]]. <font face="Antiqua, serif">''[[User:Hrafn|Hrafn]]<sup>[[User talk:Hrafn|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Hrafn|Stalk]]</sub><sup>''('''[[M:Precisionism|P]]''')</sup></font> 07:27, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

***'''Do not delete''' Aren't 'third party sources' the persons who support here the page [[Géa]]? Aren't these third party sources (those persons) presenting other third party sources, as is the case of Professor Júlio Martins [[User:Jcms1506br|Jcms1506br]], with his brilliant and rich comments and references in the page [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] also proposed for deletion, where he present the origin of book [[Géa]] and the third party references about the quality of that book? The fact is that there is a cruzade against a notable Brazilian, moved by another Brazilian, Mr. Antiuser. The page [[Géa]] present much more than the minimum references required by En Wiki, and the majority of these references are strong and notable. There are pages in En Wiki about persons who did nothing for the world, as for example some that you may find via [[Baronetage of the United Kingdom]] page. And there are pages about musicians, for example [[Túlio Mourão]] who were not more than hired persons in the [[Os Mutantes]] group and with only one (!) reference, only one external link (!) who nobody proposed for deletion. [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] was the '''founder''' of [[Os Mutantes]] group, was the person because of whom that group reached international renown, the page of his name is extremelly complete in references... but is being proposed for deletion, not only the page of his name but also the page of his main work, [[Géa]]. Why? Without him, there would never exist [[Os Mutantes]] and much less [[Túlio Mourão]] would have a page here in En Wiki. I can see only one reason: Cyberbulling, envy, people trying to make name at the expense of his illustrious name. So, although this page is not a place for voting but for consensus, I 'vote' for '''do not delete'''. [[Special:Contributions/187.13.81.213|187.13.81.213]] ([[User talk:187.13.81.213|talk]]) 11:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

::::''Do not make pointless irrelevant rants:'' I did not mention "third party sources" and you made no response to my point that ''THERE IS NO INDICATION THAT THE TOPIC MEETS [[WP:NBOOKS]]''. So your comment is a complete ''[[non sequitor]]'' (as well as raising no issue relevant to this AfD). <font face="Antiqua, serif">''[[User:Hrafn|Hrafn]]<sup>[[User talk:Hrafn|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Hrafn|Stalk]]</sub><sup>''('''[[M:Precisionism|P]]''')</sup></font> 12:05, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

:::::::You mentioned, yes, "third party sources" in the discussion for deleting page [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]]. Here is the copy of what you printed there: '(bombastic advocacy from the topic's supporters notwithstanding) little evidence of depth of coverage in reliable third-party sources. <font face="Antiqua, serif">''[[User:Hrafn|Hrafn]]<sup>[[User talk:Hrafn|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Hrafn|Stalk]]</sub><sup>''('''[[M:Precisionism|P]]''')</sup></font> 07:23, 14 June 2011 (UTC)'. The IP above was wisely answering all your 'contributions' for the deletion of great En Wiki pages! [[Special:Contributions/187.13.122.59|187.13.122.59]] ([[User talk:187.13.122.59|talk]]) 17:39, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

*'''For your meditation, Administrators of English Wikipedia'''. I know the En Wiki has rules. These rules are valuable and the fruit of long-term work of its members, without forgetting its founders, [[Jimmy Wales]] and [[Larry Sanger]]. Herself Wikipedia and every page that it contains have behind its creation and its existence the human impulse to friendship, excitement, enthusiasm. Who would create a page to present something that is not emotional, not something to which this value (and value is the result of emotion, not only reason)? Who would create a virtual encyclopedia without this magnificent engine that is the emotion? So if there is a page [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] and a page [[Géa]] on En Wiki, that's because there is enough emotion in people who created those pages; It's because that emotion and reason and objectivity emerged and turned the pages into reality. For the same reason, emotion, friendship, people find themselves inducted as members of the En Wiki devoted admiration and respect for [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] and his work, both as a specialist in audio and as a writer of [[Géa]] and several other books. These people, in launching these pages and their reasons for their entries here to ask for not deletion are not a 'party' politics, have no commercial interest or personal, but have that emotion and friendship and the respect and admiration for the writer and the work. For all that I ask the respected members of the Administration of English Wikipedia, the ones who will reach the consensus on whether or not erase the pages [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] and [[Géa]], that meditate upon this modest paragraph, also the result of emotion, to consult their souls and their reasons for everything they do - and if they feel and conclude the same that I, do not delete these pages, which only bring the Good and the Information, besides being a milestone in the En Wiki, with this discussion in favor of Emotion and Friendship, and this does not violate the En Wiki Rules and the Reason. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/187.13.81.213|187.13.81.213]] ([[User talk:187.13.81.213|talk]]) 11:49, 14 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> <small>— [[User:187.13.81.213|187.13.81.213]] ([[User talk:187.13.81.213|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/187.13.81.213|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small>

:::***This article shows the proof that the name [[Géa]] exists in printed books and also shows one of the starting points of the book [[Géa]]. The article also shows the dedicated work of the author [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]], his attention for the persons who payed nothing more than the cost of the artisanal printing of the technical book and his dedication for his friends. The article was posted by Professor Júlio Martins and the following link I extracted from his defense of page [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] against deletion in En Wiki: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B4Imqu0xjVLqMDYzM2I1NjctMDEzNC00ZGY0LThmNjgtMTYyNWFiZGU2YmQy&hl=pt_BR

'''Please see also this articles from tradicional and well known audio magazines in Brazil'''. The articles are one of the proofs of the notability of [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]], author of [[Géa]], here proposed for deletion.
::: From Backstage magazine, Nº8 (1995) - '''The hidden face of Mutantes''' (original title in portuguese: A Face oculta dos Mutantes)
::::https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B4Imqu0xjVLqZTQyMTdkZGYtOWYxMy00ZjQ2LWI5MzUtMGRiZjdiMGQwMjRm&hl=pt_BR
::: From Backstage magazine, Nº 27 (1997) - '''An audio Luthier''' ( Orig. title in portuguese: Um luthier de áudio)
::::https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B4Imqu0xjVLqNGZiYTkwYWMtNTQxYi00MGI5LTg5MDQtZmZlNzUxMGE4YmU4&hl=pt_BR
:::Música & tecnologia - ed. 28 [1991] - Cover history (Mr. Baptista appears with innovative 12 channel mixer with a size of a4 paper format totally conceived and designed in CADD).
::::https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B4Imqu0xjVLqNjM0YWEyMDQtNTVhOS00ODNhLWJkYzQtNjdiNDU1YzU2MzZj&hl=pt_BR -- [[Special:Contributions/187.13.81.133|187.13.81.133]] ([[User talk:187.13.81.133|talk]]) 12:16, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

: * These articles ''might'' work as references for the article [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]], as they pertain to his work as an engineer and technician. They have no place in this discussion, which is about his book. Just because a person is notable in one field, it doesn't make their activities in another notable. <span style="color:green;background:green">X</span><span style="color:white;background:white">X</span><span style="color:red;background:red">X</span> '''[[User:antiuser|antiuser]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:antiuser|eh?]]</sup> 16:37, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

 

*'''How to improve an article which is semi-protected?'''. There is a new tag in the page [[Géa]] proposing its rescue. That tag suggests to improve the article. When I was trying to include the new strong refferences I just find in the above entering from another IP, I discovered that the page cannot be edit; so, cannot be improved, at least by me, who am not member of En Wiki. What can I do to improve the page, which I think is very good, or what can En Wiki members with access to the page do to improve it with the above references? Thank you in advance for what you may do! [[Special:Contributions/187.13.107.90|187.13.107.90]] ([[User talk:187.13.107.90|talk]]) 12:29, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
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*** Ne pas effacer*** Je viens manifester mon soutien à ces pages de Mr CCDB, je comprends bien le portugais, et je ne vois pas ce qui dérange les Anti, si ce n´est cette pose Anti, Anti-quoi? Mr CCDB est un écrivain doublé d´un inventeur, facultés propres à qui sait explorer les au-delà du quotidien, du connu, grâce à son imagination et ses profondes et sérieuses connaissances, indubitables au Brésil, où son nom participe de l´histoire de l´audiophilie et de la musique contemporaine, un esprit en avance sur son temps... [[Special:Contributions/187.67.96.132|187.67.96.132]] ([[User talk:187.67.96.132|talk]]) 15:58, 14 June 2011 (UTC)Philippe Ingrand[[Special:Contributions/187.67.96.132|187.67.96.132]] ([[User talk:187.67.96.132|talk]]) 15:58, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
:: Posting in French is a neat touch, but you're still using a Brazilian ISP with the same IP range as several already-identified sockpuppets. This is hardly a convincing advocacy for your cause. [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] ([[User talk:Andy Dingley|talk]]) 16:13, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Dear Mr. Andy Dingley: Mr. Philippe Ingrand's IP and the place he is now in the little planet Earth has nothing to do with the fact that he is French, what is easy to know by the reading of his magnificent paragraph in defense of what is precious to all the countries of that small planet. [[Special:Contributions/187.13.66.178|187.13.66.178]] ([[User talk:187.13.66.178|talk]]) 17:50, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

'''To Whom It May Concern:'''

I am [[Sergio Dias]] Baptista, founder and leader of the musical group [[Os Mutantes]]. My career with the band and as a solo artist has been a extremely happy one, for I only found great achievement on its history. I am co-founder of the Tropicalist ([[Tropicalismo]]) movement in Brazil in the sixties. We as a band printed an unforgettable mark on the Brazilian musical and social history, along with our brothers in the movement, such as Caetano Veloso and [[Gilberto Gil]] (former Brazilian [[President Lula]]'s Art Minister).

I was graciously awarded, along with my band, the highest title of the city of [[São Paulo]], one of the largest in the world because of our contribution to the history and the weight of our work in regard to the quality and longevity of our musical and social work. (Medal Padre Anchieta). We as a band have countless awards on my country, we were twice Latin [[Grammy]] nominee in USA in 2007 and our work has been praised worldwide by the formers of opinions and great minds of the musical scene such as [[Beck]], [[David Byrne]], [[Sean Lennon]], [[Flaming Lips]], [[Devendra Banhardt]] and countless others besides an immense press recognition from [[USA Today]], to the cover of [[The New York Times]], to the best world art magazines, journals and web, such as [[Mojo (magazine)]] (UK), [[Time out]], and countless others.

I am here not to present myself, but to recommend an extremely valuable person who influenced our history in Brazil.

I find an absurd to even "question the Fact that [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] is or isn't a fundamental piece in the History of the Brazilian and entire world's musical universe. Without he's known contribution to my band and all of the other members of the worldly acclaimed [[Tropicália]] movement (acclaimed by the most prominent formers of opinion of the world universal musical movement) such as [[Beck]], [[David Byrnes]], [[Sean Lennon]], [[The White Stripes]], [[Belle & Sebastian]], [[Devendra Banhardt]], and several others, is at minimum a ridiculous waste of time of the precious members of this community.

The fact that the name CCDB and [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] is of notorious value for Brazilian's historical reality, is of complete and solid Fact, fact this already acknowledged in the highest fonts of the world's musical and technical media.

Besides this the fact that he's a brilliant writer and poet is beyond reproach and he's work is recognized and already published in several medias such as Nova Eletrônica Magazine - EDITELE, and the uncountable sources of articles written about him and he's work.

So I wonder what is the purpose of this obvious deliberate attack of a single individual which we the "public" have no knowledge of he's real motives.

I can't believe that for an instant anyone who knows about the Brazilian cultural, social and musical history, would ever even consider a barbaric act of destruction and again cultural repression dictatorship and censure, Isn't it enough what we Brazilians already suffered under the military government and they're censors, are we all turning back into the disgusting tortures of this awful and disgraceful period of our History?

Who's to say that someone, anyone, who did contributed to our proud rebellion against this bloody destructive political regime, would turn into the same spite and anger and lack of respect for a human being who really made its historical life by he's own means and self-construction?

I can only feel nauseated by this …

Please do not Delete [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]], without deleting also all about [[Tropicalismo]], about my band [[Os Mutantes]] which he was part of, and the names of [[Caetano Veloso]], [[Gilberto Gil]] and countless others...

Please let's be fair to who deserves its own accomplishments, please if you all, are going to delete him or he's work, please also delete all of us! For We are The [[Tropicalismo]], We are the ones who did it all, and Claudio IS the fundamental corner stone of our history. – [[Special:Contributions/189.46.183.107|189.46.183.107]] ([[User talk:189.46.183.107|talk]]) 17:10, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[[Sérgio Dias]] Baptista.
[[Os Mutantes]]

*'''To Cláudio César Dias Baptista's new-to-EN-Wikipedia and very-longwinded supporters:''' have you read [[WP:Notability]], [[WP:Notability (people)]], [[WP:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions]] ... or even [[WP:Articles for deletion]]? If not then ''PLEASE READ THEM BEFORE COMMENTING FURTHER!'' Very little (nothing?) of what you have had to say has been relevant to EN-Wikipedia's ''actual'' deletion decision-making process. <font face="Antiqua, serif">''[[User:Hrafn|Hrafn]]<sup>[[User talk:Hrafn|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Hrafn|Stalk]]</sub><sup>''('''[[M:Precisionism|P]]''')</sup></font> 17:34, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
:::***'''When Notable Persons''' as '''[[Sérgio Dias]]''' and '''Professor Júlio Martins''' (see enterings above) support anybody or anything, their voices sound louder than any En Wiki rule. Rules are products of the evolution of facts. If there are rules which are limiting the facts, those rules should be perfectioned - or En Wiki will not last. I see brilliant defenses, not of 'supporters' but of Notable persons, who present valuable arguments which should be considered with or without rules. If [[Elvis Presley]] or [[Einstein]] or any Notable whose time is not for learning En Wiki rules presented defenses here, their voices would be heard and no rule would be mentioned. I consider [[Sérgio Dias]] a so great musician as (if not greater than) [[Elvis Presley]] and no [[Einstein]] could do a best deffense than Professor Júlio Martins did above. [[Special:Contributions/187.14.105.99|187.14.105.99]] ([[User talk:187.14.105.99|talk]]) 18:03, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

*Delete. The article reads like an advertisement and overestimates the book's importance. [[User:Wekn reven i susej eht|<font color="blue">'''Wekn '''</font><font color="purple">'''reven i susej eht'''</font>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Wekn reven i susej eht|Talk•]] [[Special:Contributions/Wekn reven i susej eht|Follow]]</sup></small> 17:41, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

***'''Do not delete!''' My reading of the page [[Géa]] sees nothing of advertisement. If the article reads (or you read...) as an advertisement, why don't you improve it? Why to be destructive and not constructive? And how can you say that the page overestimates the book importance if you never read it ? I am one of the readers of [[Géa]] and for me the page is so smaller than the book that I have to smile when read arguments as yours, based (if sincere) in mere assumptions. [[Special:Contributions/187.13.98.88|187.13.98.88]] ([[User talk:187.13.98.88|talk]]) 18:09, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

*'''Please, do not delete. A great mistake is about to happen.'''.
:: I'm not anonymous. You can verify who I am. Verifiable is one of the principles of wikipedia. Mr. Baptista is an author and Géa is a notable opus.
:: I've create a document with photos of the first book published by Mr. Baptista. This document contains photos of some pages and fit itself perfectly to proof that Géa is an Opus which was born several years ago.
::::Please check this document out: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B4Imqu0xjVLqNzUwZDhlYjQtZWEzZC00NDRjLTk3MTUtOTA4ZDJkNmUzOWE3&hl=pt_BR
::::This book was properly registered at Biblioteca Nacional (National Libray at the city of Rio de Janeiro). It is an undoubtable proof that Mr. CCDB had been an author and Writer for a long time and lots of his articles was published in a brazilian magazine called Nova Eletrônica (New Electronics). The characters of Géa were born at this time. I am trying to retrieve some of them, or most of all, to post a new proof.
::::Mr. Baptista has been victim of moral harassment for a long time in his life. Now I think this is happening again in a electronic and cyberway.
::::I've known several people (brazilian) who hate him and who loves his invents, his articles and his books. He has a strong pernonality. He use to tell us things about his invents, his articles, his first book that anyone can doubt in a superficial analysis. Several people doesn't like him since that time, simply because doesn't like, and used to talk bad about him, of course in his back.
::::I'm not an specialist in literacture but I've been studied language (science of all languages: Semiotics) for a long time. This a really opus.
::::Géa has all components that great opus Have. There's no doubt. And there's no Doubt that Mr. Baptista is an author and writer. He was indeed, for a long period of time electronic technician, but writer too. Now he only lives from and for Géa, Geínha and, who knows, other book in future.
::::I don't Know if it's the most important, or one of 100 most important opus, or one of 1000 most important (an so on...)
::::Doesn't Matter. It's an important opus. I've examinated all books. I've received the PDF files on 2006, 2nd semester. I've red several parts. But the curiosity make us to walk throughout the books and I didn't read all books (each one from the scratch to end page) unafortunatelly by lack of time. It's a charmed text, we start and we cannot stop (how many writers can do that?). And if you consider that the characters are inspired on a real past life of a people and a band which still are conquering fans auntil today around the world, all the history gains up a kind of own bright. Mr. Baptista certainly will not conffirm that information because is equal to tell someone the end of a film.
::::Géa meets itself with all principles of Wikipedia. Perhaps a more acute examination can reveal the needs to rewrite someparts. I cannot judge that, because everything I can see in that page it's true.
:::: The reference about the Géa's lexicon that is twice than Shakespeare is a kind of affirmation that Mr. Baptista does I've told you before. I can Imagine how many people had thought He is a crazy Person. But he is not, it's true. Raw true. I am not saying (nor him) that he is better or greater than shakespeare. And He doesn't binned words to make a quantity. He created original words which makes sense in Géa Opus. His peculiar way to tell certain things, sometimes creates this kind of aversion.[[User:Jcms1506br|Jcms1506br]] ([[User talk:Jcms1506br|talk]]) 17:56, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

*To Hrafn
: Be polite. Follow the rules. I've red every line, page and link about wiki rules. We used to do this everyday to our academic papers.
: There are person (a lot, but not all, of course) who reads manuals, instructions, rules... And Follow.
: I think you didn't understand something, or simply you don't want to understand for unknown reason.[[User:Jcms1506br|Jcms1506br]] ([[User talk:Jcms1506br|talk]]) 18:06, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
::*To Jcms1506br: (i) Stop shouting and excessively indenting your comments -- it's not polite. (ii) ''Nothing'' either you or your fellow-travellers have had to say bears any resemblance or relevance to any Wikipedia policy or guideline -- so either you have not read them, or you have failed to understand them. <font face="Antiqua, serif">''[[User:Hrafn|Hrafn]]<sup>[[User talk:Hrafn|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Hrafn|Stalk]]</sub><sup>''('''[[M:Precisionism|P]]''')</sup></font> 18:44, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

:::::::'''Weight''' - Seeing the weight of the defensors arguments and the lenght of this page I think that this very fact already shows the importance of the book [[Géa]]! Why so many persons would discuss an unimportant matter? Please, do not delete [[Géa]]! [[Special:Contributions/187.13.111.97|187.13.111.97]] ([[User talk:187.13.111.97|talk]]) 18:15, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

*'''WHY THIS ARTICLE SHOULD NOT BE DELETED'''

I am Jeff McCarty, a filmmaker who has devoted his life to celebrating the work of great artists, including Os Mutantes, the most important and influential of all Brazilian rock bands which Claudio Cesar Dias Baptista was an essential and integral part. Please see my IMDB page here for verification: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1037484/.

I strongly disagree with the entire motive behind the sudden campaign to remove "Gea" from Wikipedia. Who cares if the book is self-published or not? It is an enormous achievement by a person of immeasurable significance in the history of Brazilian culture. As evidence, please consult Carlos Calado's published book on Os Mutantes http://www.amazon.com/Os-Mutantes-Psychedelic-Adventures-Brazil/dp/0967056683, where there are entire chapters devoted to the life and work of Claudio.

To remove "Gea" from Wikipedia would be as criminal as removing the entry concerning The Beatles "Carnival of Light". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_of_Light "Carnival of Light" is a track that's barely rumored to exist at all, has never been officially released, and has been heard by virtually no one. Just because The Beatles are more famous than Os Mutantes doesn't diminish the importance of Claudio's work. If Paul McCartney or JD Salinger or almost anyone else had written a twelve part epic piece of prose even rumored to exist, there wouldn't even be the faintest call for a deletion. Let the life and work of Claudio Cesar Dias Baptista stand as testament enough to the inclusion of "Gea". To do otherwise is a great insult to world culture and Claudio Baptista's proud place in it.[[User:Jcmccarty|Jcmccarty]] ([[User talk:Jcmccarty|talk]]) 18:22, 14 June 2011 (UTC){{spa|Jcmccarty}}

: The difference between this article and [[Carnival of Light]] is, all promotional talk and hyperbole aside, that [[Carnival of Light]] provides [[WP:REF|references]] from [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] such as the BBC, CNN and The Independent, that speak to its notability. Nobody here is trying to diminish Mr. Baptista's achievements as an author, but Wikipedia relies on [[WP:V|verifiability, not truth]] when it comes to the inclusion or deletion of articles. Mr Baptista's work as an inventor and engineer might as well be notable, but there don't seem to be many sources that meet the same standard as far as his literary work goes. Nobody here is "out to get" anyone else - this all boils down to Wikipedia policy. Please take a look at [[WP:N]], [[WP:NOR]] and [[WP:NOT]]. <span style="color:green;background:green">X</span><span style="color:white;background:white">X</span><span style="color:red;background:red">X</span> '''[[User:antiuser|antiuser]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:antiuser|eh?]]</sup> 18:54, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

:::'''Dear Mr. Antiuser''', I understand the arguments you present here. They are valid. But I read the page [[Géa]] and saw that there are sources enough to sustain the page in En Wiki. When somebody starts to create his/her first page in En Wiki he or she learns the minimum number of sources and quality that must have to create on the page is accepted. The [[Géa]] page far outstrips that number and the quality of its sources is good, some sources are indeed of excellent quality. Added to the sources that Professor Júlio Martins presented above in this discussion and in the discussion for deletion of the page [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]], the number of sources far exceeds the minimum allowable and the quality of the sources is exemplary. If you have not entered the links provided by Professor Júlio Martins and has not researched the sources that are in the links and the references without links (also valid) of the page [[Géa]], I kindly suggest you do it and reconsider your position. --[[Special:Contributions/187.13.68.239|187.13.68.239]] ([[User talk:187.13.68.239|talk]]) 20:17, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

***DO NOT DELETE*** You don't have any real reason for that. Let the information live and free!! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/189.5.247.206|189.5.247.206]] ([[User talk:189.5.247.206|talk]]) 12:56, 16 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:@Jeff: if you read WP guidelines, you'll find an article about 'because this is on here, this should be too'. Hold on while I find it. [[User:Wekn reven i susej eht|<font color="blue">'''Wekn '''</font><font color="purple">'''reven i susej eht'''</font>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Wekn reven i susej eht|Talk•]] [[Special:Contributions/Wekn reven i susej eht|Follow]]</sup></small> 13:20, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
:: I believe the article you're looking for is the aptly named [[WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS]]. <span style="color:green;background:green">X</span><span style="color:white;background:white">X</span><span style="color:red;background:red">X</span> '''[[User:antiuser|antiuser]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:antiuser|eh?]]</sup> 17:09, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

**'''IN REPLY TO MR. ANTIUSER'''

As a Brazilian, you must be familiar with the legacy of Os Mutantes, and Claudio Baptista's critical role in it. I fight it ridiculous that anyone would even dare question the "notability" of Mr. Baptista's work. By the virtue of his name alone, there is an audience for "Gea", always has been, and always will be. "Gea" has been written about in a number of legitimate forums, and if the references are not numerous enough for your tastes, or if you find a few of the phrases in the article objectionable and in violation of wiki rules, then at least allow the article to be revised, not rewritten. I am the director of a film about Os Mutantes, as written up in "Rolling Stone" magazine, and believe me....when the film premieres, there will be even a larger audience for "Gea", and people will find it strangely absurd that LONG AGO somebody even dared waste the time, as well as my time and everybody else's, in trying to delete this article.

I have a question for you, Mr. Antiuser: are you an employee of Wikipedia? If so, then maybe you think you are doing your job, and if that's the case, then allow the writer of the wikipedia article on "Gea" to make the proper changes, to make it as "legitimate" as you earlier classified the article on "Carnival of Light". If not, then what exactly is your motive in all of this? To me, it sounds like nothing more than harassment. The epic prose completed over 10 years by Claudio Baptista is of sufficient interest to anybody who knows anything about Brazilian culture. Allow the words of one of its great luminaries, Sergio Dias, as written above, serve as a proof enough that the deletion of this article is a crime, and nothing more than an unwarranted attack against world culture. [[Special:Contributions/99.68.213.111|99.68.213.111]] ([[User talk:99.68.213.111|talk]]) 18:54, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

: Wikipedia does not have "employees". Everyone here does what they do voluntarily. Please explain how I'm not allowing "the writer of the wikipedia article on 'Gea' to make the proper changes"? If someone wants to edit the article, they're free to do so, I'm not an administrator, I can't keep anyone from doing anything. In fact, I wasn't even the one who nominated this article for deletion. I haven't even !voted on this AfD, but somehow my name keeps getting dragged in here as if there was some hidden agenda against Mr. Baptista. <span style="color:green;background:green">X</span><span style="color:white;background:white">X</span><span style="color:red;background:red">X</span> '''[[User:antiuser|antiuser]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:antiuser|eh?]]</sup> 19:15, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Then my apologies....if someone can point out exactly what's so objectionable, then I'll be happy to edit the article. I just strongly object to its deletion. [[Special:Contributions/99.68.213.111|99.68.213.111]] ([[User talk:99.68.213.111|talk]]) 19:31, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
: Apologies accepted. A good place to start would be [[WP:N|Wikipedia's guidelines for notability]] and [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. <span style="color:green;background:green">X</span><span style="color:white;background:white">X</span><span style="color:red;background:red">X</span> '''[[User:antiuser|antiuser]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:antiuser|eh?]]</sup> 19:37, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

:::If you look at the nomination it says "This book does not appear to meet [[WP:N]]. While the Portuguese language sources are a little hard to sort out, none appear to be significant coverage."
You need to read [[WP:N]] and find significant coverage in reliable third party references that are NOT blogs, forums or Facebook.<span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''<font color="Black">[[User:Teapotgeorge|Teapot]]</font>'''<font color="silver">[[User:Teapotgeorge|george]]</font></span>[[User talk:Teapotgeorge|<sup><font color="blue">Talk</font></sup>]] 19:39, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

*[[Jornal da Tarde]] is a reliable source, and some of the others that have articles about this probably are as well. Can someone with access to that article or others, who reads Portuguese, please quote what exactly is said about the book? [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 01:24, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

: The article is more about Mr. Baptista himself than about the book, but there's enough in it about the book to make it usable as a reference. The only place I found it though was on [http://www.ccdb.gea.nom.br/DcE5.pdf Mr. Baptista's website]. I don't know if it's an issue to cite it, probably not since it's a scan of the newspaper. It still doesn't change the fact that the article has to be rewritten though, as it stands it seems overly hyperbolic and promotional and isn't encyclopaedic at all. <span style="color:green;background:green">X</span><span style="color:white;background:white">X</span><span style="color:red;background:red">X</span> '''[[User:antiuser|antiuser]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:antiuser|eh?]]</sup> 04:11, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
::"''He may be known for his electronic inventions, especially those related to the production of sounds, such as the famous Golden Guitar... However, at 62, Cláudio César Dias Baptista does not want to be remembered for those innovative creations but for his new work, Géa - learn more at www.ccdb.gea.nom.br.''" It's an interview with Mr Baptista, but what it says abut the book is only what ''he'' says. I don't see a problem with citing it, but it is not an independent comment about the book. [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD|talk]]) 09:50, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
:::If they are repeating what it says about the book, it still counts as coverage. A reliable source thought the book notable enough to fill an article with information about it. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 12:02, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
::::I disagree. [[WP:BK]]: "''Some of these works should contain sufficient critical commentary to allow the article to grow past a simple plot summary. This excludes... publications where the author... advertise or speak about the book."''" If it is just an interviewer regurgitating what the author tells him about the book, that is not the interviewer writing about the book: we are not getting anyone's opinion of the book except the author's. [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD|talk]]) 13:18, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::You are quoting it out of context. It says "This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book". This is an interview, not just them copying something from a press release or quoting what is written on the flap section of a book. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 15:17, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
::::::I wasn't intending to be deceptive about the context: my reading (though I suspect we aren't going to agree about it) is that while press releases etc are given as examples, the sort of interview given by an author with a book to plug, which just consists of him telling the interviewer about the book, is also covered by that clause, which is looking for evidence that someone ''other than the author'' has read the book and formed opinions about it. Where is the "''sufficient critical commentary to allow the article to grow past a simple plot summary''"? [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD|talk]]) 16:27, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' Coverage in reliable sources has been verified. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 12:02, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
*'''Delete.''' The only question here is whether the book meets Wikipedia's [[WP:N|notability]] guideline for inclusion. Many of the arguments made at great length above are quite irrelevant to that question, including:
:*The book is very long, and has a larger vocabulary than Shakespeare,
:*It has 700 3-D illustrations
:*It took ten years to write
:*The author previously had an important role in a notable band
:*To delete the article would be censorship/an insult to Brazilian culture/a barbaric act of destruction, cultural repression, dictatorship etc
:*"When Notable Persons as X and Y... support anybody or anything, their voices sound louder than any En Wiki rule"
:The '''relevant''' considerations, Wikipedia's criteria for books, are set out at [[WP:Notability (books)]].
:*[[WP:BK#Criteria|'''Criteria''']]: it is clear that #1 is the only one that might be attained. That would require showing that "The book has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself... Some of these works should contain sufficient critical commentary to allow the article to grow past a simple plot summary. This excludes... publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book."
:*'''Threshold standards:''' "Books should have at a minimum an ISBN (for books published after 1975), be available at a dozen or more libraries and be catalogued by its country of origin's official or de facto national library."
:*'''Self-publication:''' "In this regard, it should be especially noted that self-publication... indicates, but does not establish non-notability."
:*'''Wikipedia articles must not be vehicles for advertisement.''' A complicated series of statements on [[Talk:Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] makes clear that if Mr. Baptista did not actually post these articles he is at least in close touch with the person who did. Moreover, he has been trying to [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php?action=printpage;topic=3266.0 post articles in Citizendium] about himself and his book, [http://www.ccdb.gea.nom.br/ccdb_his_books_and_his_purpose.html his website] prominently displays links to the Wikipedia articles, and his [http://www.ccdb.gea.nom.br/ccdb_wikipedia_antiga.html reaction] to a deletion discussion on Portuguese Wikipedia suggest that, despite his disclaimers, he is, in fact, anxious to get publicity and legitimacy from having articles here. The flood of [[WP:SPA|single-purpose accounts]] overwhelming these AfDs with irrelevant harangues is also strongly suggestive of an off-wiki campaign.

:[[WP:COI|Conflict of interest]] and [[WP:SOAP|promotional intent]] are not absolute bars to acceptance of an article, but they mean that the evidence for notability must be looked at particularly hard. We therefore come back to the fundamental question: is there evidence that "the book has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself?" The guideline here is note 4 to [[WP:Notability (books)]]:
:<blockquote>Self-promotion and product placement are not the routes to having an encyclopedia article. The published works must be someone else writing about the book... The barometer of notability is whether people ''independent'' of the subject itself (or of its author, publisher, vendor or agent) have actually considered the book notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works that focus upon it.</blockquote>

:The sources presented, including ''Jornal da Tarde'', are interviews with the author, which repeat what he has to say about the book. What is needed, and what I do not see, is comment ''about the book'' by people (like reviewers) ''independent of its author'', who have read it.
:I conclude that while, on the basis of his earlier career, Mr Baptista is probably notable enough to have an article, his book is not. If it is more widely published, if people actually read it and publish significant comment about it, then one day it might deserve a stand-alone article; but it is not Wikipedia's role to help it ''become'' well-known, and for now a (short) reference in Mr Baptista's article is the most it should have. [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD|talk]]) 10:26, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

*'''Don't delete!''' Let Mr. Antiuser show us an universal law or rule where we can read what people need to do for to be recognized as writer. Wikipedia's rules aren't enough because it´s not a scientific page. [[User:Megatron turbo|Megatron Turbo BR]] ([[User talk:Megatron turbo|talk]]) 14:05, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
::The usual way to be recognised as a writer is to have your works published, and read by many people, and become the subject of independent reviews and discussion; but there is no "universal law" about it. Wikipedia's rules are how we decide what goes into Wikipedia. [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD|talk]]) 14:57, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

**'''Mr. Baptista is read and is recognized as a writer''': In the page http://www.ccdb.gea.nom.br/opinioes_sobre_gea.html, which is in the author's site (as it should be) you will see the opinions of large number of Mr. Baptista readers. Several opinions are written in English, although the author's published books are in Portuguese. You may count the number of readers who invested their time in writting for Mr. Baptista and authorizing him to publish their opinions. Of course, there are much more readers, who didn't write nor authorized. In the 'CCDB Livros' section of the author's site you will find beside the thumbnails of the books covers links "Saiba mais" (Know more). These links open pages with sumarize the books and present some opinions of readers. There are several other pages with opinions of readers in the same site, which you may open if you enter this page: http://www.ccdb.gea.nom.br/links_para_as_paginas_mais_visitadas.html ans search the word "Opiniões" (opinions). Self-published books are as published as the books published by large companies. Reading books on-line is as reading books as reading them in printed paper. Please, '''do not erase page [[Géa]]'''. [[Special:Contributions/187.13.46.232|187.13.46.232]] ([[User talk:187.13.46.232|talk]]) 15:58, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' per [[WP:N]] and [[WP:NBOOK]] with no independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]<span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''<font color="Black">[[User:Teapotgeorge|Teapot]]</font>'''<font color="silver">[[User:Teapotgeorge|george]]</font></span>[[User talk:Teapotgeorge|<sup><font color="blue">Talk</font></sup>]] 16:25, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
* '''Delete''' Self-published work which doesn't meet [[WP:NBOOK]]. [[User:Seancasey00|Sean]] ([[User talk:Seancasey00|talk]]) 16:37, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

*** '''Dear sirs''': here is the complete list of links present today in the "Géa" page.

* http://whiplash.net/materias/opinioes/000575-mutantes.html
* http://revistatrip.uol.com.br/155/desplugados/01.htm
* http://www.viceland.com/blogs/br/tag/ccdb/
* http://www.bymk.com.br/usuarios/ccdb
* http://fudeus.wordpress.com/2007/06/04/ando-meio-desligado/
* http://audiolist.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2653
* http://www.rockemgeral.com.br/2008/02/14/primeiro-mutante-claudio-cesar-dias-baptista-trabalha-duro-como-escritor-e-luta-para-ver-seus-livros-publicados/
* http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cl%C3%A1udio-C%C3%A9sar-Dias-Baptista/171483659539558
* http://blog.guitarlick.com.br/2009/06/04/falando-em-memoria/
* http://www.pierdeipanema.com.br/en/node/95
* http://sinistersaladmusikal.wordpress.com/category/mutantes/
* http://acervodorockroll.blogspot.com/2009/01/os-mutantes.html
* http://www.muzplay.net/musica/os-mutantes
* http://www.allmusic.com/artist/arnaldo-p324276
* http://www.lastfm.com.br/music/O'seis
* http://www.dynamiteinfo.com.br/portal/view_coluna_antiga.cfm?materia=780
* http://www.red.unb.br/index.php/emtempos/article/viewFile/3355/2933
* http://agoraerock.forumeiros.com/t305-pre-mutantes-o-seis-1966
* http://www.htforum.com/vb/archive/index.php/t-16872.html
* http://www.tocastudio.com.br/index2.html
* http://www.somaovivo.mus.br/download.php?acao=pesq1
* http://www.odegrau.com/mutantes.html
* http://www.blogar.com.br/pass/2003/06/index.html
* http://ouniversomusical.blogspot.com/2009/12/os-mutantes.html
* http://teen.ibge.gov.br/ibgeteen/datas/rock/curiosidades.html
* http://rocknhome.net/v1/index.php?page=verartigo&id=360
* http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2699346-a-divina-com-dia-dos-mutantes
* http://www.torres-rs.tv/site/pags/almanaque2.php?id=183
* {{en icon}} http://musicabrasileira.org/mutantes/

From these links, although all above can be verified and exist, the following are absolutely independent, reliable sources and mention the work of Mr. Baptista as an author of books.

* http://www.viceland.com/blogs/br/tag/ccdb/
* http://fudeus.wordpress.com/2007/06/04/ando-meio-desligado/
* http://audiolist.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2653
* http://www.rockemgeral.com.br/2008/02/14/primeiro-mutante-claudio-cesar-dias-baptista-trabalha-duro-como-escritor-e-luta-para-ver-seus-livros-publicados/

Please '''do not erase page [[Géa]]'''. [[Special:Contributions/187.13.46.232|187.13.46.232]] ([[User talk:187.13.46.232|talk]]) 16:59, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

****:::::::***This article shows the proof that the name [[Géa]] exists in printed books and also shows one of the starting points of the book [[Géa]]. The article also shows the dedicated work of the author [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]], his attention for the persons who payed nothing more than the cost of the artisanal printing of the technical book and his dedication for his friends. The article was posted by Professor Júlio Martins and the following link I extracted from his defense of page [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] against deletion in En Wiki: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B4Imqu0xjVLqMDYzM2I1NjctMDEzNC00ZGY0LThmNjgtMTYyNWFiZGU2YmQy&hl=pt_BR

'''Please see also this articles from tradicional and well known audio magazines in Brazil'''. The articles are one of the proofs of the notability of [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]], author of [[Géa]], here proposed for deletion.
::: From Backstage magazine, Nº8 (1995) - '''The hidden face of Mutantes''' (original title in portuguese: A Face oculta dos Mutantes)
::::https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B4Imqu0xjVLqZTQyMTdkZGYtOWYxMy00ZjQ2LWI5MzUtMGRiZjdiMGQwMjRm&hl=pt_BR
::: From Backstage magazine, Nº 27 (1997) - '''An audio Luthier''' ( Orig. title in portuguese: Um luthier de áudio)
::::https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B4Imqu0xjVLqNGZiYTkwYWMtNTQxYi00MGI5LTg5MDQtZmZlNzUxMGE4YmU4&hl=pt_BR
:::Música & tecnologia - ed. 28 [1991] - Cover history (Mr. Baptista appears with innovative 12 channel mixer with a size of a4 paper format totally conceived and designed in CADD).
::::https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B4Imqu0xjVLqNjM0YWEyMDQtNTVhOS00ODNhLWJkYzQtNjdiNDU1YzU2MzZj&hl=pt_BR -- [[Special:Contributions/187.13.81.133|187.13.81.133]] ([[User talk:187.13.81.133|talk]]) 12:16, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

 

DISCUSSÃO NA EN WIKI QUE RESULTOU NO APAGAMENTO DA PÁGINA “CLÁUDIO CÉSAR DIAS BAPTISTA”

===[[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]]===
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A little hard to sort out, but this individual does not appear to pass [[WP:N]]. He was involved with a notable musical group at one time, but I can see no substantial references beyond his own webpage and Portuguese Wikipedia. Article was created by someone claiming to be his pupil writing from the subjects computer. I am also nominating his book [[Géa]] separately. [[User:Daniel J. Leivick|<span style="text-shadow:#BBBBBB 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Daniel</span>]] 15:33, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

:The article [[Géa]] and the page [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] which En Wiki members considered at first good to be published here are suffering a political attack from the En Wiki member named Antiuser.[[User:Cláudio César Dias Baptista|Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] ([[User talk:Cláudio César Dias Baptista|talk]]) 16:04, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
::'''Comment:''' All I did was remove a piece of [[WP:OR|original research]] from the article. The matter is being discussed at [[WP:AN/I#WikiHounding / Article ownership issues / Possible IP socks.]]. <span style="color:green;background:green">X</span><span style="color:white;background:white">X</span><span style="color:red;background:red">X</span> '''[[User:antiuser|antiuser]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:antiuser|eh?]]</sup> 16:28, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

That is not 'all you did'. You are a Brazilian, and it's extremelly significant that a Brazilian is attacking the page with the work of another Brazilian, a page that was until that moment considered good by all the people from other countries who contributed to its making.[[Special:Contributions/187.14.112.27|187.14.112.27]] ([[User talk:187.14.112.27|talk]]) 17:47, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

:::I agree with the IP. Reading the discussion in [[WP:AN/I#WikiHounding / Article ownership issues / Possible IP socks.]] I make the (yes) '''great question''' which is proposed there: 'Why just a Brazilian is deconstructing the page about another Brazilian which was accepted by non-Brazilian En Wiki members'???[[Special:Contributions/187.13.5.1|187.13.5.1]] ([[User talk:187.13.5.1|talk]]) 17:52, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Daniel (in the first entering above) is ill-informed: the 'someone' has a name: Rafael Konzen. Rafael didn't create the page [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] utilizing the subjects computer, but with his own computer. Rafael is a reader of Cláudio's books, is also his pupil in audio and electronics, visited Cláudio (the subject) and in Cláudio's computer Rafael wrote an answer in the Discussion page of [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] page, which answer was signed by the own Cláudio, who was logged in, to show the clear truth to everybody, and Cláudio signed it up with him. Cláudio did that to preserve the e-mail adress of his pupil, which he offered in that answer, if via message to his e-mail, which he presented there, even with the risk of suffering spam. That's a very different thing than writting the page in the subject's computer![[Special:Contributions/187.13.1.78|187.13.1.78]] ([[User talk:187.13.1.78|talk]]) 18:01, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

: They didn't create the page with the subject's computer, but still created the page with an IP from Rio de Janeiro state while living in Manaus? <span style="color:green;background:green">X</span><span style="color:white;background:white">X</span><span style="color:red;background:red">X</span> '''[[User:antiuser|antiuser]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:antiuser|eh?]]</sup> 18:38, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

**Had you ever heard about laptops, 3G modem and Air Travel, Mr. Antiuser???[[User:William T. Johannes|William T. Johannes]] ([[User talk:William T. Johannes|talk]]) 03:28, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

:<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Brazil|list of Brazil-related deletion discussions]]. <!--Template:Deletion sorting--></small> <small>— [[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 01:26, 11 June 2011 (UTC)</small>
:<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Authors|list of Authors-related deletion discussions]]. <!--Template:Deletion sorting--></small> <small>— [[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 01:26, 11 June 2011 (UTC)</small>
:<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Bands and musicians|list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions]]. <!--Template:Deletion sorting--></small> <small>— [[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 01:27, 11 June 2011 (UTC)</small>
*'''Delete''' - I have searched available English and Portuguese sources. At most, the references are from non-notable "review" websites and social media. The most reliable sources mention him only as the brother of the notable [[Arnaldo Baptista]]. Of note, the pt.wiki is also tagged for COI and POV concerns. <font style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva; font-size:15px;">[[User:Jsfouche|<span style="background:#191970;color:#FF8C00;padding:0 4px">jsfouche &#9789;&#9790;</span>]][[User talk:Jsfouche|<font color="navy"></font>Talk]]</font> 02:17, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

**Mr. JSFouche: When you write 'I have searched available English and Portuguese sources' you should have mentioned which are these sources. The entry you have done here shows only your opinion, which is one or both: polarized or ill-informed. [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] is mentioned in several books about the group [[Os Mutantes]] which he created with his coleague Raphael Vilardi when Arnaldo was learning to play bass guitar... with Cláudio, in the instrument Cláudio manufactured for him, an instrument which is still in good conditions, although his owner Arnaldo is not more, because he attempted suicide. When you affirm that [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] is 'only the brother of the notable [[Arnaldo Baptista]]', you show that you are not well informed about Arnaldo and his ex-wife [[Rita Lee]]'s life. As you can read Portuguese (or how could you search the sources you mentioned?), please study more the history of [[Os Mutantes]] and you will, perhaps, be surprised! I read English and Portuguese, and I found this paragraph in the page "Nem Plágio Nem Coincidência", inside Cláudio's site http://www.ccdb.gea.nom.br - there are words from him and also from Rita, please read: 'Afinal, se Rita Lee me escreve hoje (mais exatamente, escreveu-mo em 17-04-2006) o que se segue aspeado e em cor castanha, posso, sem dúvida, considerar-me um dos Mutantes e usar a palavra ''nos'' ao referir-me ao grupo: "aliás, indiscutivelmente para mim você sempre foi o cabeça daquele nosso filme dos anos 60, sem a sua presença Los Mutas jamais sairiam do quintal da rua Venâncio Ayres para o mundo - [[Rita Lee]]". ' If you can't read Portuguese, Mr. JSFouche, (and because this entry is for everybody in En Wiki), here is the translation: 'After all, if [[Rita Lee]] writes me today (more accurately, wrote to me on 04/17/2006) what follows in quotes and brown, I certainly consider myself one of Mutantes and use the word ''we'' when referring to the group, "moreover, undoubtedly for me was always you the head of our film of the 1960 years, without your presence Los Mutas would never let the backyard on street Venancio Ayres to the world - [[Rita Lee]]. " '. Knowing well the history of [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] and Os Mutantes, I can affirm this: "Without [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] there wouldn't exist [[Os Mutantes]], without [[Os Mutantes]] there wouldn't be [[Rita Lee]] nor [[Arnaldo Baptista]]. So, and based in what Rita said herself (reproduced above), it's easy to conclude: Without Cláudio there wouldn't exist [[Rita Lee]] nor [[Arnaldo Baptista]] - as great artists. That's because Cláudio, with Raphael Vilardi, created the musical group which became Os Mutantes. More about Cláudio? Here it is: in the book 'A Divina Comédia dos Mutantes' (http://www.livrariacultura.com.br/scripts/cultura/resenha/resenha.asp?sid=8713322091361139913270881&nitem=65984) by the Brazilian Journalist Carlos Calado, [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] is mentioned almost one hundred times, more than any other [[Os Mutantes]] members, including [[Arnaldo Baptista]], [[Sérgio Dias]] and [[Rita Lee]]. The book is in several bookstores to be read by anyone. Please read it and I am certain that you will change your opinion. Yet more about Cláudio? Here it is: he is called by all audio experts in Brazil as 'The Pope of Audio', not only because of his work as a member of the group [[Os Mutantes]] but by his work as the founder and the general director of EDITELE - Nova Eletrônica magazine, published during ten years (1977 - 1987) in all Portuguese reading countries, 65,000 copies/month, distributed by Editora Abril, where you may find seven hundred pages of his technical articles. In his site, http://www.ccdb.gea.nom.br, you can see many movies via this page (http://www.ccdb.gea.nom.br/videos_produtos_ccdb.html) and this page (http://www.ccdb.gea.nom.br/video_ccdb_44.html) with Cláudio lecturing about audio and presenting some of his great products, as the 'CCDB 44' audio console. Of course, you will find that material and much more about the importance and notability of [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] if you are sincere and wish to do Justice in the discussion which is running here.[[Special:Contributions/187.13.32.209|187.13.32.209]] ([[User talk:187.13.32.209|talk]]) 04:09, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

****'''Let the page complete during its judgement!''' I noted that this Antiuser is removing important information from the page [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] during its period of judgement for deletion. That's not a good policy. I would kindly suggest that the page is restored to its ''complete'' form during that period. How can people judge the merit of a page which content is being reduced? That procedure is not what I understand as Justice nor what I understand as En Wiki policy. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/187.13.17.74|187.13.17.74]] ([[User talk:187.13.17.74|talk]]) 03:21, 11 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::**'''Do not delete''' - Let's be rational and cool, analyzing the page [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] in the light of what we can read about his opus in page [[Géa]], significantly proposed also for deletion in the same day (...). Here are the positive points: The author invested more than ten years of his life in writting a book, moreover, a twelve 250 pages volume book. The author composed a 1,000 pages dictionary to complement the book. The author utilized a lexicon twice the William Shakespeare lexicon in his whole opera and six times the lexicon of Camões in "Os Lusíadas". The author created a new language with extra words, doesn't matter if it's named an 'extraterrestrial language' or not. The author illustrated himself the twelve volumes with more than 700 3D pictures, so, he had to learn 3D Computer Graphics to do these illustrations and also the thirteen covers for [[Géa]]. The author studied programming languages for computer to create himself the active pages in a site also created by himself to publish himself the book. The author applied his audio experience to perfection the sound of the reading. The author wrote also metrified poems inside the book. The author of [[Géa]] composed music for the book. The author proposed complete inventions in the books which could work if tested in laboratory. The author abandoned his profitable carreer in audio to write the book. The author created more than one thousand characters for the book. The description of these characters is interesting in the page [[Géa]]. The author presented a Theory, the 'biorrelatividade' in the book. The stories presented in the page are captivating for people who has the habit of reading books - at least they captivate myself. The quantity of references is more than enough and the quality of some of these references is unquestionable, as it's the case of the reporting in [[Jornal da Tarde]], in the Revista Trip (very important in Brazil). And here are the negative points: The book is written in Portuguese, not yet translated to English; Brazil is not England nor USA; people who see the page [[Géa]] here in En Wiki can't easily judge the merit of the book because they can't read it. Now I ask myself: Are those negative poits really negative? Is not perhaps an injustice being done against a perhaps great work as it was done also against [[Don Quixote]] of [[Miguel de Cervantes]] and so many great books which were recognized long time after their writting? Or as the pictures of [[Vincent van Gogh]], who sold only one of them during his life and which were recognized so late? If you search En Wiki for pages about other books, you will see that very few, if any, has the merits I mentioned above for the book [[Géa]]. So, I am forced to conclude that the cause of the deletion proposal for both pages [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] and [[Géa]] is not the lack of importance of the opus, but another unknown cause, external to the page itself. And I don't want to be one of the persons who will be remembered as the ones who deleted the page of a book that shows everything to be perhaps recognized as a great work or the page of its author. I vote for the permanence of the pages [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] and [[Géa]] in En Wiki.[[User:William T. Johannes|William T. Johannes]] ([[User talk:William T. Johannes|talk]]) 03:26, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
::::* Sorry to disappoint you, but supporting posts by sockpuppets don't really count. <span style="color:green;background:green">X</span><span style="color:white;background:white">X</span><span style="color:red;background:red">X</span> '''[[User:antiuser|antiuser]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:antiuser|eh?]]</sup> 11:30, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::'''Note:''' I have blocked [[user:William T. Johannes]] as a [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Cláudio César Dias Baptista|checkuser-confirmed sockpuppet]] of [[user:Cláudio César Dias Baptista]]. [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD|talk]]) 16:46, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
'You' ''who''? Are you attacking personally Mr. Cláudio César Dias Baptista? Are you answering to Mr. William T. Johannes (in this case you consider him a real person)? I am not one nor another, but can see by your tremendous effort in erasing the information about the lexicon of Mr. Baptista against William Shakespeare's lexicon and even to erase two of the best En Wiki pages ([[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] and [[Géa]], that there is much more than 'En Wiki policy' behind that effort, which is also at least strange when coming from a Brazilian, that you also are - is that effort due to political convictions?[[Special:Contributions/187.13.77.232|187.13.77.232]] ([[User talk:187.13.77.232|talk]]) 11:44, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

: '''Why Delete?''' - Why delete part of text about [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]]? Mr. Cláudio have a lot of experience with audio and I heard about him from friends of specific forums to discuss about audio equipments. So, I decided to find him and I found his website where I met him and his books. I read his books in your website. I'm Brazilian and I read his books in Portuguese, not only literature but technical book of professional recording of audio. He is a guru of audio here in Brazil, all people wich work in professional sound systems know his name, or his initials: CCDB. He created with his friend, a band called [[Os Mutantes]], and developed a lot of incredible equipments to modify sounds and create a special sound, unique in Brazil. I can't accept that the text about him could being deleted. I ask you to let full the text about Mr. [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]]. [[Special:Contributions/201.75.82.71|201.75.82.71]] ([[User talk:201.75.82.71|talk]]) 13:46, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Gentlemen, Claudio César dias Baptista is a very relevant electronic engineer and technician who supported the "Os Mutantes" band fros the 1960's to the 1970's. He invented, created or improved several electronic devices for use in music, including P.A. systems, soundboards, guitar effect pedals and other creations. Also he was publisher and writer for "Nova Eletronica" magazine and other publications for more than 20 years. Other than that he is a published fiction writer and plastic artist. As a journalist I can assure that he is worthy of an article and delet the current article would be an mistake. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Fabiopa|Fabiopa]] ([[User talk:Fabiopa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fabiopa|contribs]]) 16:37, 11 June 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> <small>— [[User:Fabiopa|Fabiopa]] ([[User talk:Fabiopa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fabiopa|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small>

::**'''Do not delete'''
::'''Gentlemen, I cannot accept so tremendous disrespect with someone who gave enormous contribution to audio development in Brazil.'''
::I can see clearly something like a personal cruzade against Cláudio Cesar on comments from antiuser. Why this?
::I am a professor at Universidade Federal do Espírito Santo - UFES (since 1987), Brazil, on subjects Graphic production and Audio production (mainly)inside the graduation course of Journalism, Advertising and Audiovisual (prior known as Cinema graduation course).
::I am a researcher on sound, acoustics, perception and semiotics. Sorry but this is not my intention to present my curriculum, but to contextualize. I've started a video docummentary about Claudio Cesar Dias Baptista in 1993 financed by UFES, but I coudn't finalize by lack of financial resources. Recently I've digitalized all this matrices (Hi-8 tapes) and remembering that, I can prove that almost all photos used on Calado's quoted book (above) about Mutantes were extracted from Mr. Baptista's particular album. Lots of them only can be possessed by a Mutantes member. The Calado's Book was released on 1995.
::Mr. Baptista is a unique person which stong personality, I know him personally, professionaly, and as his ex-pupil (yes! antiuser, pupil).The same way I was pupil of Mr. Mario Carramilo Neto; Ms. Santaella, PhD (take a look in her curriculum); Mr. Jorge Vieira Albuquerque, PhD and others. In the academic ''metièr'' (Post Graduate Programs, at least) be a pupil of some professor and/or researcher is reason to be proud of.
::Because his strong personality, Mr. Baptista had conquered several unfriendly opinions about himself. But he takes seriously every task in which he involves himself. So, when anyone (which doesn't know him) reads (or listen) something about his work, which sounds exagerated, uses to doubt or untrust. The reason is because here in Brazil we have lots of artists, writers, journalists, politicians (specially) which tells much more than they do.
::Mutantes is a band which is known (now!) around the world. but at this time (60's) it was proihibited to import audio equipment (among others things) here in Brazil. So he had projected an built amplifiers, mixing consoles, and instruments. Everybody knows Mutantes, specially his brothers Arnaldo Baptista and Sergio Dias, but not everybody knows Mr. Claudio Cesar.
::: '''Please see this articles from tradicional and well known audio magazines in Brazil'''
::: From Backstage magazine, Nº8 (1995) - '''The hidden face of Mutantes''' (original title in portuguese: A Face oculta dos Mutantes)
::::https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B4Imqu0xjVLqZTQyMTdkZGYtOWYxMy00ZjQ2LWI5MzUtMGRiZjdiMGQwMjRm&hl=pt_BR
::: From Backstage magazine, Nº 27 (1997) - '''An audio Luthier''' ( Orig. title in portuguese: Um luthier de áudio)
::::https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B4Imqu0xjVLqNGZiYTkwYWMtNTQxYi00MGI5LTg5MDQtZmZlNzUxMGE4YmU4&hl=pt_BR
:::Música & tecnologia - ed. 28 [1991] - Cover history (Mr. Baptista appears with innovative 12 channel mixer with a size of a4 paper format totally conceived and designed in CADD).
::::https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B4Imqu0xjVLqNjM0YWEyMDQtNTVhOS00ODNhLWJkYzQtNjdiNDU1YzU2MzZj&hl=pt_BR

::Greg Mackie made the same efforts to audio development, in the United States, and then have founded Mackie Company. The difference between both is particular character of Brazilian People which pleases himsef in depreciate, the history, the persons, the institutions. An interesting Brazilian film (Macunaima: the hero without any character) based on Mário de Andrade's book (released in 1928) aproaches part of this brazilian behavior.
::This situation, as others in culture (as language) replicates itself and uses to last for years. In audio area, recording studios, professional sound systems, still happens a lot. In Addiction it's common to depreciate works, persons, to enlight his own work. Strange but it's true. Politicians do this a lot.
::Mr. Baptista is not the only one which is not recognized by this work. In 2002 I've presented and published a work called É possível existir alta fidelidade em áudio? uma análise dos sistemas de captação, gravação e reprodução sonoras à luz da teoria peirceana da Percepção (ISBN: 85-89029-01-8) [Is it possible to exists high fidelity on audio? An analysis of capturing, recording and reproduction of sound under enlight of Peircean theory of perception]. I've needed to quote Mr Baptista's work and from others and I've found myself in front of a kind of situation that I coudn't to prove if they really exists, due to lack of information (we didn't have Internet fast connections, nor Google neither Wikipedia).
::That's the point where I can reach! This work contains quotations about three important person which have made efforts to audio development (there are others, not only these people...): Mr. Paulo Fernando Cunha Albuquerque, Mr. Homero Sette Silva and Mr. Claudio Cesar Dias Daptista. To do that quotation, I've needed to create a section in that document called Appendix, in which I've wrote text containing tecnhical explanation and biographical information (evem summed). In this link you can find this work and to check:
::: '''http://www.cpdee.ufmg.br/~semea/anais/artigos/JulioMartins1.pdf '''(see page 30).
::So I hope I had had contributed with consistent information. This work are available on line since 2002 on Universidade Federal de Minas Gerais, or UFMG.
::But there is a detail I would like to talk about yet: Mr baptista is not an Electronic Engineer, at least with graduation course. He didn't presented himself (in his published brochures about his equipment) as Engineer. He used to present himself as electronic technician.
::But this is not reason to reduce his role on audio development in Brazil. That's the opposite. He studied a lot and in good and trusted sources. Every matter I've learned from him (while his pupil 23 years ago!), or reading his instructions manuals, have revealed itsef integrally correct along the path I've took throughout audio, acoustics, recording, reproduction...
::We cannot say the same about lots of articles which we can find every day.
::His work was recognized by Audio Engineering Society (USA) which gave him the title of member, which is gave only to Engineers. Probably he was the first brazilian audio professional to obtain this title from AES. The CREA (an agency which is encharged of inspect professionals of Engineering and Architecture) gave to Mr. baptista the title of Eletronic Technician.
::This is a kind of thing that I've mentioned above. A lot of brazilian audio technicians like to entitles himselves as Recording engineer, Audio Engineer, Sound engineer, because it's cool... Sounds like an important professional or person... The same way they pleases themselves in to depreciate the work of serious people.
::So finnally it will be a terrible mistake to delete this page. '''I vote Against. Do not Delete.'''
::Reading my published paper (quoted above) you wil find my name and workplace. I exist. I'm not anonymous.
::Probably I am one of three or four persons in Brazil which have hours of technical explanations about audio taped in video (recently digitalized to upload to video stream portals). These video shootings (never edited until now) prove undoubtly who is Claudio Cesar Dias Baptista and his previous work as an Artisan.[[User:Jcms1506br|Jcms1506br]] ([[User talk:Jcms1506br|talk]]) 20:50, 11 June 2011 (UTC) <small>— [[User:Jcms1506br|Jcms1506br]] ([[User talk:Jcms1506br|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jcms1506br|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small>

**'''Do not delete!'''. Mr.Baptista is a Known and briliant personality and we (brazilians) don't want your history be erased from En Wiki pages. So here I am and earnestly beg you to DON'T delete the Cláudio César Dias Baptista's page. Mr. Claudio is a creative writer, in that involved us with his stories and by far one of the personalities who contributed most in growth of Brazilian music, as well as Brazilian literature and audio! My vote is DO NOT DELETE, because he is one of the most important person for cultural development in my country. [[User:Likalileal|Likalileal]] ([[User talk:Likalileal|talk]]) 14:45, 12 June 2011 (UTC) <small>— [[User:Likalileal|Likalileal]] ([[User talk:Likalileal|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Likalileal|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small>

* '''Weak keep''': Mr. Baptista might meet [[WP:N]] for his work as an electronic and sound engineer, but probably not as an author. The article would require a substantial rewrite for that, though. <span style="color:green;background:green">X</span><span style="color:white;background:white">X</span><span style="color:red;background:red">X</span> '''[[User:antiuser|antiuser]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:antiuser|eh?]]</sup> 05:33, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

***''That's Cyberbullying, Mr. Antiuser!''' I can see the flag you put ever with your comments, but you are a Brazilian as can be seen in your member's page here in En Wiki and you also 'works' in Pt Wiki. It's very easy to track your comments in all pages of En Wiki and of Pt Wiki, where you are moving a cruzade against the notable [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]]. Fortunately for Brazil, there are people distinguished as Mr. Baptista and Mr. Júlio Martins, whose comment above you can not call it weak. Poor's who want to excel at the expense of another person's name. You finally agree that Mr. Baptista is an important person in the audio field; so, you show the merit that (even with severe difficulty) you can 'learn'. But when you say that 'probably' in your comment immediately above, when you say that 'probably not as an author', you show how your mind 'works': 'probably' based in what? Did you read his magnificent book [[Géa]]? I did! It's the best book I read ever, and I've read many of the Classics. You accuse Mr. Baptista had written the page [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] and the page [[Géa]], hunting IPs meticulously, but it also sees the cyberbullying that you have been practicing. I am a student of Mr. Baptista, like many others I live in the vicinity of his home, several come from other Brazilian states and some other countries to know him in person and not just via the Internet. For this reason my IP is from the same region of my master's IP, as well as all the others that you pointed in the hunt for IPs that resulted in the blocking of pages here on En Wiki. This is all a shame for Brazil and extends to the country whose flag you display here in all your comments.[[Special:Contributions/187.14.119.154|187.14.119.154]] ([[User talk:187.14.119.154|talk]]) 09:20, 13 June 2011 (UTC) <small>— [[User:187.14.119.154|187.14.119.154]] ([[User talk:187.14.119.154|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/187.14.119.154|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small>

*'''Why 'not as an author''' Antiuser? People are discussing the book [[Géa]] here on En Wiki because of your cyberbullying, but Mr. Baptista did not only write this book. He wrote others which modestly appear in the list of page [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]], and he has written hundreds of pages of technical articles, which were read in all Portuguese speaking countries, 65,000 publications/month from Revista Nova Eletrônica. His book 'CCDB - Gravação Profissional' is called 'The Bible of Audio' in Brazil! The book 'Geínha' is a so vast and beautiful work as [[Géa]]. And he wrote it for Children and Youth - that simple fact, that attention to young people shows his character! Shows also that he merits the title of author, and he is a great one - not all great writers are members of [[Academia Brasileira de Letras]] and one of them, the magnificent [[Monteiro Lobato]], in whose same level I see [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]], refused to become a member! The books he wrote are found in section 'CCDB Livros' of his website, http://www.ccdb.gea.nom.br, for you (and any honorable reader of this paragraph) to evaluate and see whether or not Mr. Baptista is important as an author. Mr. Baptista utilizes his complete name in his personal En Wiki's page, not a codename. That your 'Probably' reveals your character! Also reveals you character the fact that you utilize the 'Antiuser' codename, not your complete name (there are lots of Adrianos in the world, but you tell only that your name is Adriano in your personal En Wiki's page) the presence in all your comments of the noble Italy flag behind which colors you (who says in your personal page here in En Wiki 'I'm a Brazilian-born Italian', so, a Brazilian), hide yourself.[[Special:Contributions/187.13.13.14|187.13.13.14]] ([[User talk:187.13.13.14|talk]]) 10:29, 13 June 2011 (UTC) <small>— [[User:187.13.13.14|187.13.13.14]] ([[User talk:187.13.13.14|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/187.13.13.14|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small>

*'''Weakish Keep''' I agree with antiuser on saying that he is more notable as an engineer but not as an author. Maybe a section or a mention of him being an author should suffice. Probably [[WP:N|notable]] enough. [[User:Doh5678|Doh5678]] ([[User talk:Doh5678|talk]]) 19:03, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

*''' 'PLEASE DO NOT DELETE THIS PAGE. IT WILL BE A GREAT MISTAKE!'
::User doh5678; I agree integrally with you a proof is necessary. I was workin on and I finished now. Please read.

*''' 'WEAK KEEP ?' 'NOT AS AN AUTHOR?' ''' HOW COULD IT BE POSSIBLE ANTIUSER?
:: How (or why) you think you have the power to decide who is a writer and who isn't?
:: Ok. Wikipedia is a colaborative work. We need filters to keep the integrity of information. Your intention is Good.
:: But or you give us some objective information which justificates your judgement or will be clear to us all, that's not a neutral oppinion and you could have other motivations to act and to judge this way.
:: I am doing this right now. All of you can access this document I've create with photos of the first book published by Mr. Baptista. This document contains photos of some pages and fit itself perfectly to proof another thing: Géa is an Opus which was born several years ago.
::: Please check this document out: '''https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B4Imqu0xjVLqNzUwZDhlYjQtZWEzZC00NDRjLTk3MTUtOTA4ZDJkNmUzOWE3&hl=pt_BR'''

:: This book was properly registered at Biblioteca Nacional (National Libray at the city of Rio de Janeiro). It is an undoubtable proof that Mr. CCDB is an author and Writer.
:: There are more. Lots or articles he had published in a brazilian magazine called Nova Eletrônica (New Electronics). Scanned copies of this articles are trade a lot through internet exactly because the technical information still perfectly correct until today (except in the cases of the technology has evolved, of course). I'll post some of them as soon as possible. In the case of the book, he was rewritten and could be read it on mr. Baptista's site.
:: And in case of you or any other person mention that is propaganda, or something like this I must remember:
:::We are in new era. Now we don't need to beg to commercial publishers to publish our writings. We can do it by ourselves. There are a lot of printing presses which could help any author to publish your writings without depends on any publisher. The first Book of Isaac Newton was published by himself financed by a friend [NEWTON, Isaac. Optics Translated by André Koch Torres Assis, with notes and introduction. São Paulo : Editora da Universidade de São Paulo, 2002] and equally based on information inside the brilliant docummentary about light, called ''Light fantastic'' from BBB, 2004, directed by Paul Sen]
:: There are more. There is an incredible book of the Mutantes's History (written in english) told by an inside person: Mr. Baptista. But it couldn't be published (Yet) because depends on permission of some important people. I have the PDF file. I've red. But all I can do it's to assure you that this book exists.
:: Finally there is Géa, and Geínha (something like 'Little Géa' written to kids and teens).
:: I'm not an specialist in literacture but I've been studied language (science of all languages: Semiotics) for a long time. This a really opus.
:: Géa has all components that great opus Have. There's no doubt. And there's no Doubt that Mr. Baptista is an author and writer. He was indeed, for a long period of time electronic technician, but writer too. Now he only lives from and for Géa, Geínha and, who knows, other book in future.
:: I don't Know if it's the most important, or one of 100 most important opus, or one of 1000 most important (an so on...)
:: Doesn't Matter. It's an important opus. I've examinated all books. I've received the PDF files on 2006, 2nd semester. I've red several parts. But the curiosity make us to walk throughout the books and I didn't read all books (each one from the scratch to end page) unafortunatelly by lack of time. It's a charmed text, we start and we cannot stop (how many writers can do that?). And if you consider that the characters are inspired on a real past life of a people and a band which still are conquering fans auntil today around the world, all the history gains up a kind of own bright. Mr. Baptista certainly will not conffirm that information because is equal to tell someone the end of a film.
::What kind of proof do you need now?
::ANTIUSER and others: Certainly there are a lot of people who try to use wikipedia to promote yourself, your company, your products... without merits.
::Steve Jobs is here at Wikipedia, only to quote an visible case. I don't have anything about him. It's promotion, or not? But we cannot apart the person from his work.
::Please let's focus ours best efforts to them, to maintain the wikipedia's a trustful source. [OOOPs! I need to add]: Of course, 'them' not includes Mr. Jobs, nor another famous people, with merits, OK? There are a lot and there are a lot of people who loves to take advantage of wikipedia, But Mr. Baptista certainly isn`t one of them.
::Persons, companies, artists are using the most sophisticated strategies, most of all PAID, gentleman... PAID! I Know very well the advertising market in Brasil and generically, abroad the world. It's part of my work as a professor an researcher.. Social Networks, Wiki pages, Blogs, everything is are being studied to be used as mass media (which in fact, they are aready, indeed!) as a commercial way.
::So what we have to do is to keep alert and never give up in find out a more efficient way to deal with.
::I hope I have helped to undone this mistake.[[User:Jcms1506br|Jcms1506br]] ([[User talk:Jcms1506br|talk]]) 19:55, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

:'''DO NOT DELETE!'''
:: The person called [[User:Antiuser|antiuser]] commits Cyberbullying here.
::: I'm an audio researcher since the mid of the 90's and i have lots of copies of CCDB's articles published at the brazilian magazine called "Nova Eletronica" and a lot of copies of the original catalogs of the CCDB equipments. I'm a onwner of the briliant amplifier [http://postimage.org/image/5ifuv0fyc/ CCDB BI-1000], a powerful machine of 1000 watts rms, built in the 70's, when was forbidden to import electronic equipment from another countries, because Brazil was under the [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regime_militar_no_Brasil_%281964%E2%80%931985%29 Brazilian Military Regime] since 1964, regime that was sponsored by the USA because of the [[New_international_division_of_labour|international division of labour]].
::: CCDB (or Mr. Baptista) is a brilliant inventor. He projected and designed his own electronic equipment, that was largely used by [[Os Mutantes]], a great band that was an evolution of another band founded by him and his brothers. A lot of CCDB amplifiers are in use until today, since the 70's, without needing of repairs. I NEVER saw an foreigner amplifier like our brazilian's CCDB equipment. [[User:Megatron turbo|Megatron Turbo BR]] ([[User talk:Megatron turbo|talk]]) 03:24, 14 June 2011 (UTC) <small>— [[User:Megatron turbo|Megatron turbo]] ([[User talk:Megatron turbo|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Megatron turbo|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small>

*'''Delete:''' (bombastic advocacy from the topic's supporters notwithstanding) little evidence of depth of coverage in reliable third-party sources. <font face="Antiqua, serif">''[[User:Hrafn|Hrafn]]<sup>[[User talk:Hrafn|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Hrafn|Stalk]]</sub><sup>''('''[[M:Precisionism|P]]''')</sup></font> 07:23, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

*'''DO NOT Delete:'''
::: about User HRAFN :(bombastic advocacy from the topic's supporters notwithstanding)...
:::: There isn't a bombastic advocacy at all and I'm not a suporter. I'm a professor of a respected university in Brazil which offers more than 90 courses. What I am doing, and not in an anonymous way (see my page), is presenting facts, in defense of a Brazilian person who is notable. Some users have claimed about lack of proof. It's fair. So I Gave. In my Defense, I have to admit, I was sometimes more emotional that the subjects requires. OK. But this does not invalidate the documents I've posted. Aren't they a reliable sources? An article I've published with ISBN?... Interviews published in brazilian magazines? A book published by Mr. baptista, with proper authoral register? Please be objective and neutral.Take a look in these documents.[[Special:Contributions/201.79.224.137|201.79.224.137]] ([[User talk:201.79.224.137|talk]]) 15:53, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
In time... The IP 201.79.224.137 is mine: Jcms1506br I was logged in, but the update failed... So I am finishing now.[[User:Jcms1506br|Jcms1506br]] ([[User talk:Jcms1506br|talk]]) 16:39, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

***'''Do not delete''' Aren't 'third party sources' the persons who support here the page [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]]? Aren't these third party sources (those persons) presenting other third party sources, as is the case of Professor Júlio Martins [[User:Jcms1506br|Jcms1506br]], with his brilliant and rich comments and references above? The fact is that there is a cruzade against a notable Brazilian, moved by another Brazilian, Mr. Antiuser. The page [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] present much more than the minimum references required by En Wiki, and the majority of these references are strong and notable. There are pages in En Wiki about persons who did nothing for the world, as for example some that you may find via [[Baronetage of the United Kingdom]] page. And there are pages about musicians, for example [[Túlio Mourão]] who were not more than hired persons in the [[Os Mutantes]] group and with only one (!) reference, only one external link (!) who nobody proposed for deletion. [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] was the '''founder''' of [[Os Mutantes]] group, was the person because of whom that group reached international renown, the page of his name is extremelly complete in references... but is being proposed for deletion. Why? Without him, there would never exist [[Os Mutantes]] and much less [[Túlio Mourão]] would have a page here in En Wiki. I can see only one reason: Cyberbulling, envy, people trying to make name at the expense of his illustrious name. So, although this page is not a place for voting but for consensus, I 'vote' for '''do not delete'''. [[Special:Contributions/187.13.41.253|187.13.41.253]] ([[User talk:187.13.41.253|talk]]) 11:02, 14 June 2011 (UTC) <small>— [[User:187.13.41.253|187.13.41.253]] ([[User talk:187.13.41.253|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/187.13.41.253|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small>

:::*''Do not blather:''
:::#Are "the persons who support here the page" "''reliable'' third-party sources"? ''NO.'' Read [[WP:Identifying reliable sources]].
:::#Are any of your comments ''even remotely'' relevant to Wikipedia's notability criteria (as opposed to [[WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS]] and similar arguments)? ''NO.''
:::#Are any of your comments anything other than ''further'' "bombastic advocacy"? ''NO. Not in the slightest.''
::::<font face="Antiqua, serif">''[[User:Hrafn|Hrafn]]<sup>[[User talk:Hrafn|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Hrafn|Stalk]]</sub><sup>''('''[[M:Precisionism|P]]''')</sup></font> 11:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

:::: ''DO NOT DELETE''
::: "Do not blather", HRAFN? How ? So when a user try do defend a notable brazilian author, inventor, electronic technician, he is blathering? When you say that, you are judging.
:::: I've read lots of wikipedia rules. Your and others are breaking several of them (ex. Be polite... And you: "Othercrapexists").
:::: You say (wrote) "Are "the persons who support here the page" "''reliable'' third-party sources"? ''NO.''. I am one of them, so I am not a reliable? Are you judging me? An article I've published with ISBN is not too? The Sources I've provided are not too?... O-ou!.. There's something weird in progress. Is it why he is a Brazilian? My defense is not reliable because I am a brazilian too? I cannot believe.[[Special:Contributions/201.79.224.137|201.79.224.137]] ([[User talk:201.79.224.137|talk]]) 16:23, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
:::: In time... The IP 201.79.224.137 is mine Jcms1506br I was logged in, but the update failed... So I am finishing now.[[User:Jcms1506br|Jcms1506br]] ([[User talk:Jcms1506br|talk]]) 16:34, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[[User:Jcms1506br|Jcms1506br]] ([[User talk:Jcms1506br|talk]]) 16:39, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

:::::(i) "How?" By making lengthy, histrionic diatribes that have ''NOTHING WHATSOEVER'' to do with legitimate issues before an AfD (e.g. [[WP:Notability]], [[WP:NOT]], [[WP:NOR]]). When you "try do defend a notable brazilian author, inventor, electronic technician" ''without addressing such issues'', you are "blathering". (ii) Have you read [[WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS]]? It points out that pointing out that "there are pages in En Wiki about persons who did nothing for the world" is ''IRRELEVANT'' to whether ''THIS'' article should be kept. Kindly read it before criticising me for citing it. (iii) [[WP:NOR]] = ''NO'' Wikipedia editor is a reliable source (not you, not me, not anybody) for the purposes of citation -- only material published ''outside'' Wikipedia can be. So no, ''nothing'' written on this AfD can possibly be "reliable third-party sources". (iv) Stop getting your knickers in a twist and reading things into my statement ''that I did not actually say'' ("Are you judging me? ..." etc, etc, etc, etc). <font face="Antiqua, serif">''[[User:Hrafn|Hrafn]]<sup>[[User talk:Hrafn|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Hrafn|Stalk]]</sub><sup>''('''[[M:Precisionism|P]]''')</sup></font> 17:21, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

*'''For your meditation, Administrators of English Wikipedia'''. I know the En Wiki has rules. These rules are valuable and the fruit of long-term work of its members, without forgetting its founders, [[Jimmy Wales]] and [[Larry Sanger]]. Herself Wikipedia and every page that it contains have behind its creation and its existence the human impulse to friendship, excitement, enthusiasm. Who would create a page to present something that is not emotional, not something to which this value (and value is the result of emotion, not only reason)? Who would create a virtual encyclopedia without this magnificent engine that is the emotion? So if there is a page [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] and a page [[Géa]] on En Wiki, that's because there is enough emotion in people who created those pages; It's because that emotion and reason and objectivity emerged and turned the pages into reality. For the same reason, emotion, friendship, people find themselves inducted as members of the En Wiki devoted admiration and respect for [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] and his work, both as a specialist in audio and as a writer of [[Géa]] and several other books. These people, in launching these pages and their reasons for their entries here to ask for not deletion are not a 'party' politics, have no commercial interest or personal, but have that emotion and friendship and the respect and admiration for the writer and the work. For all that I ask the respected members of the Administration of English Wikipedia, the ones who will reach the consensus on whether or not erase the pages [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] and [[Géa]], that meditate upon this modest paragraph, also the result of emotion, to consult their souls and their reasons for everything they do - and if they feel and conclude the same that I, do not delete these pages, which only bring the Good and the Information, besides being a milestone in the En Wiki, with this discussion in favor of Emotion and Friendship, and this does not violate the En Wiki Rules and the Reason. [[Special:Contributions/187.13.81.213|187.13.81.213]] ([[User talk:187.13.81.213|talk]]) 11:43, 14 June 2011 (UTC) <small>— [[User:187.13.81.213|187.13.81.213]] ([[User talk:187.13.81.213|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/187.13.81.213|contribs]]) has made [[Wikipedia:Single-purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic. </small>

::***'''How to improve an article which is semi-protected?'''. There is a tag in the page [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] proposing the improvement of the article. When I was trying to include the strong refferences I found in the above entering from Professor Júlio Martins [[User:Jcms1506br|Jcms1506br]], I discovered that the page cannot be edit; so, cannot be improved, at least by me, who am not member of En Wiki. What can I do to improve the page, which I think is very good, or what can En Wiki members with access to the page do to improve it with the above references? Thank you in advance for what you may do! [[Special:Contributions/187.13.107.90|187.13.107.90]] ([[User talk:187.13.107.90|talk]]) 12:40, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

*** Ne pas Effacer!!!!
Comment peut on manquer de bon sens à ce point Messieurs Antiusers!! Seulement le nom Anti dit beaucoup sur votre engagement Anti-positif... Non, les écrits de Mr CCDB sont de toute relevance, et bien-fondés sur la liberté de créer et d´imaginer, Imagine all the people building for, astead theese fighting against... Anti, contre, refus, négation... la Science fiction est tournée vers le futur, et Mr CCDB est un inventeur reconnu dans son pays et jusqu´au Japon, allons allons, n´effacez pas ces pages... 15:50, 14 June 2011 (UTC)Philippe Ingrand[[Special:Contributions/187.67.96.132|187.67.96.132]] ([[User talk:187.67.96.132|talk]]) 15:50, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

::'''To Whom It May Concern:'''

::I am [[Sergio Dias]] Baptista, founder and leader of the musical group [[Os Mutantes]]. My career with the band and as a solo artist has been a extremely happy one, for I only found great achievement on its history. I am co-founder of the Tropicalist ([[Tropicalismo]]) movement in Brazil in the sixties. We as a band printed an unforgettable mark on the Brazilian musical and social history, along with our brothers in the movement, such as Caetano Veloso and [[Gilberto Gil]] (former Brazilian [[President Lula]]'s Art Minister).

::I was graciously awarded, along with my band, the highest title of the city of [[São Paulo]], one of the largest in the world because of our contribution to the history and the weight of our work in regard to the quality and longevity of our musical and social work. (Medal Padre Anchieta). We as a band have countless awards on my country, we were twice Latin [[Grammy]] nominee in USA in 2007 and our work has been praised worldwide by the formers of opinions and great minds of the musical scene such as [[Beck]], [[David Byrne]], [[Sean Lennon]], [[Flaming Lips]], [[Devendra Banhart]] and countless others besides an immense press recognition from [[USA Today]], to the cover of [[The New York Times]], to the best world art magazines, journals and web, such as [[Mojo (magazine)]] (UK), [[Time out]], and countless others.

::I am here not to present myself, but to recommend an extremely valuable person who influenced our history in Brazil.

::I find an absurd to even “question the Fact that [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] is or isn't a fundamental piece in the History of the Brazilian and entire world's musical universe. Without he's known contribution to my band and all of the other members of the worldly acclaimed [[Tropicália]] movement (acclaimed by the most prominent formers of opinion of the world universal musical movement) such as [[Beck]], [[David Byrne]], [[Sean Lennon]], [[The White Stripes]], [[Belle & Sebastian]], [[Devendra Banhart]], and several others, is at minimum a ridiculous waste of time of the precious members of this community.

::The fact that the name CCDB and [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] is of notorious value for Brazilian’s historical reality, is of complete and solid Fact, fact this already acknowledged in the highest fonts of the world's musical and technical media.

::Besides this the fact that he's a brilliant writer and poet is beyond reproach and he's work is recognized and already published in several medias such as Nova Eletrônica Magazine - EDITELE, and the uncountable sources of articles written about him and he's work.

::So I wonder what is the purpose of this obvious deliberate attack of a single individual which we the “public” have no knowledge of he's real motives.

::I can't believe that for an instant anyone who knows about the Brazilian cultural, social and musical history, would ever even consider a barbaric act of destruction and again cultural repression dictatorship and censure, Isn’t it enough what we Brazilians already suffered under the military government and they're censors, are we all turning back into the disgusting tortures of this awful and disgraceful period of our History?

::Who's to say that someone, anyone, who did contributed to our proud rebellion against this bloody destructive political regime, would turn into the same spite and anger and lack of respect for a human being who really made its historical life by he's own means and self-construction?

::I can only feel nauseated by this …

::Please do not Delete [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]], without deleting also all about [[Tropicalismo]], about my band [[Os Mutantes]] which he was part of, and the names of [[Caetano Veloso]], [[Gilberto Gil]] and countless others...

::Please let's be fair to who deserves its own accomplishments, please if you all, are going to delete him or he's work, please also delete all of us! For We are The [[Tropicalismo]], We are the ones who did it all, and Claudio IS the fundamental corner stone of our history. – [[Special:Contributions/189.46.183.107|189.46.183.107]] ([[User talk:189.46.183.107|talk]]) 17:07, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[[Sérgio Dias]] Baptista.
::[[Os Mutantes]]

*'''To Cláudio César Dias Baptista's new-to-EN-Wikipedia and very-longwinded supporters:''' have you read [[WP:Notability]], [[WP:Notability (people)]], [[WP:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions]] ... or even [[WP:Articles for deletion]]? If not then ''PLEASE READ THEM BEFORE COMMENTING FURTHER!'' Very little (nothing?) of what you have had to say has been relevant to EN-Wikipedia's ''actual'' deletion decision-making process. <font face="Antiqua, serif">''[[User:Hrafn|Hrafn]]<sup>[[User talk:Hrafn|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Hrafn|Stalk]]</sub><sup>''('''[[M:Precisionism|P]]''')</sup></font> 17:31, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

*'''Do not delete''' It seems reasonable enough to keep it, with a little cleanup. [[User:Wekn reven i susej eht|<font color="blue">'''Wekn '''</font><font color="purple">'''reven i susej eht'''</font>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Wekn reven i susej eht|Talk•]] [[Special:Contributions/Wekn reven i susej eht|Follow]]</sup></small> 17:37, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

*''' Do not Delete''' When you delete, we are questioning the value of major literary work produced in Brazil, a big timeless lesson of astral projection, which proposes a reflection on the analogy of opposites that is one of the pillars of the new civilization that you want to colonize space.

Let us leave aside the medieval ages, forget the Victorian pomp and begin to open their eyes to new horizons beyond Tolkien. Much beyond that. (Rodrigo Pontes)

:*A reasoned relevant argument, rather than simply a bare assertion, is generally required for a vote to be taken seriously. <font face="Antiqua, serif">''[[User:Hrafn|Hrafn]]<sup>[[User talk:Hrafn|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Hrafn|Stalk]]</sub><sup>''('''[[M:Precisionism|P]]''')</sup></font> 17:41, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
::Oops! Sorry. Same reason as Fabiopa. [[User:Wekn reven i susej eht|<font color="blue">'''Wekn '''</font><font color="purple">'''reven i susej eht'''</font>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Wekn reven i susej eht|Talk•]] [[Special:Contributions/Wekn reven i susej eht|Follow]]</sup></small> 17:49, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

***'''Do not delete!''' We see here the same biased and weak arguments to delete the page [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]]. His notability is more than proven in the own article page and in this discussion. [[Special:Contributions/187.13.111.97|187.13.111.97]] ([[User talk:187.13.111.97|talk]]) 19:07, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' This page is about an author who fails general notability. A google search yields his personal home page, our wikipedia articles, refractions of these pages, his facebook page ect. The attempts to establish notability – an expired Audio Engineering Society card, links to other wikipedia pages and his personal homepage on "references", use of ip socks and potential meat puppeting – and the inappropriate aggression towards antiuser reflect this.[[User:Seancasey00|Sean]] ([[User talk:Seancasey00|talk]]) 18:51, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

***'''Do not delete.''' Mr. Seancasey seems to have read only the negative comments and not the positives. The author is notable, as it is more than proven by the comments of Professor Júlio Martins and several others. The accusations against the author on En Wiki are all false, he is not capable of criminal acts and vandalism. I'ma reader of your books and say that each and every one just made ​​me a great good. I am calm, I read all comments pros and cons and I remain confident in the good sense of Directors, which I hope will never erase the pages Cláudio César Dias Baptista and GEA, which would be a slur to En Wiki and world literature. [[Special:Contributions/187.14.114.249|187.14.114.249]] ([[User talk:187.14.114.249|talk]]) 19:17, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' Can everyone calm down and review the actual article with no POV and Bias. Also stop with the possible [[WP:MEAT|Meat]]/[[WP:SOCK|Sock]]puppetry, [[User:Cláudio César Dias Baptista|Cláudio César Dias Baptista]]. [[User:Doh5678|Doh5678]] ([[User talk:Doh5678|talk]]) 19:07, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

:::'''Mr. Baptista''' is above all suspects. You who accuse him of pupperty and the persons who deleted his personal page insult him. He is renowned person, spotless, has been the example from which came the current great Audio engineers in Brazil and his books are remarkable, worth reading and having each of its En Wiki page. If the pages [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] and [[Géa]] are not yet good for the the exegetes of the En Wiki taste, nothing better than to stop the discussion and improve these pages, not for the sake of the author, but for the good of the En Wiki and who were to read them. [[Special:Contributions/187.13.27.91|187.13.27.91]] ([[User talk:187.13.27.91|talk]]) 19:31, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

::::Listen, I'm not saying he doesn't meet the [[WP:N]] criteria, but parts of the article aren't in the right format, you have 2 dozen external links (many from just 1 website), and the article has content that is considered [[WP:SPAM]]. [[User:Wekn reven i susej eht|<font color="blue">'''Wekn '''</font><font color="purple">'''reven i susej eht'''</font>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Wekn reven i susej eht|Talk•]] [[Special:Contributions/Wekn reven i susej eht|Follow]]</sup></small> 07:15, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' Can people stop bullying antiuser and other users. They are just making a reasoned point about this article and nothing else. So please stop doing [[WP:PA|PA's]] against those users. I'm just trying to resolve this. [[User:Doh5678|Doh5678]] ([[User talk:Doh5678|talk]]) 14:56, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' To users ANTIUSER, DOH5678, WEKN REVEN I SUSEJ EHT SEANCASEY00 and HRAFN
: Your recent comments are showing some reasonable intention to solve the question. It's a great change since the begining. It's good. Thanks.
: The proofs I've posted shows notabitity and are totally verifiable. Reading previous post, we can see that ANTIUSER have recognized, at least the relevance of Mr. Baptista's work for his page (not for Géa Page as he sad).
: What I am asking you now is some patience and time, not too much time... I am trying to see the questions from you point of view. I have asked for a little help to colleagues from Library of Ufes, where I work (see my page). I am asking them to read the Mr. Baptista's page and all these comments from as neutral as possible point of view.
: I Think that from this analysis we can find what we can do to ajust the page to WIKI. Some of them have already told me, in advance, that some things needs to be cleared indeed, tha some comments are fair, mainly the last ones from you...
: According them there are much emotion and agressive attacks and from both sides to be honest. Please: is it possible to do this from a civilized way? I am trying to help. I will present here the result from this analysis and I propose myself to do changes and so you evaluate again.
:Is it possible to do this? Please, assume prior that I (and others) have good faith, ok?

:*"is it possible to do this from a civilized way?" Given that Baptista's followers react with ''immoderate and irrelevant fury'', any time anybody points out that it has not been demonstrated that Baptista "has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject", I would say ''most probably not.'' (Oh, and please ''do not'' post on my user talk to tell me that you've posted here -- it is neither necessary nor welcome.) <font face="Antiqua, serif">''[[User:Hrafn|Hrafn]]<sup>[[User talk:Hrafn|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Hrafn|Stalk]]</sub><sup>''('''[[M:Precisionism|P]]''')</sup></font> 19:11, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

::
:*" As the user DOH5678 sad, Calm down. Yes it is. But both sides have to act this way. They react (me included, but not with fury) this way because the attacks. Don't do the same saying "(...) [...] you've posted here -- it is neither necessary nor welcome." Don't you think that is another kind of fury (even lighter...). So... Both Parts. No fights more. No beligerancy, ok?[[User:Jcms1506br|Jcms1506br]] ([[User talk:Jcms1506br|talk]]) 20:55, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

::*Jcms1506br: please ''CEASE AND DESIST'' referring to comments questioning the notability of Baptista as "attacks". Describing them as such is a violation of [[WP:CIVIL]] & [[WP:AGF]] and are EXACTLY the sort of "''immoderate and irrelevant fury''" that I was referring to above. The one of the purposes of an AfD is to discuss (and therefore ''question'') the notability of an article's topic. If you are so thin-skinned on the topic that you cannot bear to see such questions raised, then you should probably avoid this page -- the more so as you appear to have done ''NOTHING'' to present such "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" that might make your commentary ''RELEVANT''. <font face="Antiqua, serif">''[[User:Hrafn|Hrafn]]<sup>[[User talk:Hrafn|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Hrafn|Stalk]]</sub><sup>''('''[[M:Precisionism|P]]''')</sup></font> 05:52, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' SEANCASEYOO
: Mr Baptista is not working as electronic technician anymore, since the year of 2000 at least.. He is working as writer and author so it's natural the the AES member card has expired. So if the link redirects to its personal page, this an of correction that we can do as I talked above.[[User:Jcms1506br|Jcms1506br]] ([[User talk:Jcms1506br|talk]]) 18:48, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

::Thank you, you make a good point about his card.
::This points to one of the problems here: he doesn’t seem to be notable as an author and this article is presenting him as one. Recent edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cl%C3%A1udio_C%C3%A9sar_Dias_Baptista&action=historysubmit&diff=433569623&oldid=433569261 Daniel’s] have helped but the lead still reads “his main work is the book Géa” a self-published work which lacks [[WP:Notability]] and continues “Cláudio César Dias Baptista is best known as the writer of the opus "Géa" and other books”.
::The COI problems at the Portuguese page and [http://www.ccdb.gea.nom.br/ccdb_wikipedia_antiga.html this] don’t help either.[[User:Seancasey00|Sean]] ([[User talk:Seancasey00|talk]]) 20:44, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

::: Ok Seancasey00
::: I will wait for the further analysis as I told. Meantime I will take note of every question pointed, OK? So please help Me and others on solving that discussion to put on progress my proposal.[[User:Jcms1506br|Jcms1506br]] ([[User talk:Jcms1506br|talk]]) 21:02, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

::: Ok Seancasey00 - after visit the link you've added...
::: I understood the point. I don't have to agree with all of Mr. Baptista do or say. But...It seems to me that you read portuguese. So Check the Wiki-PT, please. Take a look what the user MACHO CARIOCA have posted. On two lines he offends three or four of wikipedia's Principles. Think by a point of view or Mr. Baptista. Think that you are him and are saying it's true. You can feel neutrality on that comment? Don't you think that this comment have same fury as HRAFN sad above? I hope so. MACHO CARIOCA do not know what he talking about. I've posted proofs. Three published articles that proves the opposite.[[User:Jcms1506br|Jcms1506br]] ([[User talk:Jcms1506br|talk]]) 21:27, 15 June 2011 (UTC)[[User:Jcms1506br|Jcms1506br]] ([[User talk:Jcms1506br|talk]]) 21:34, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
:::: The Portuguese Wikipedia does not have the same rules and policies as English Wikipedia, so comparing policy discussions between projects doesn't really work. <span style="color:green;background:green">X</span><span style="color:white;background:white">X</span><span style="color:red;background:red">X</span> '''[[User:antiuser|antiuser]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:antiuser|eh?]]</sup> 06:23, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Wow, Sean! I used google translate for your link and found this:
" '''MY OPINION ON THE ATTACK - YES, EVEN CONSIDER THAT AN ATTACK'''
<span style="color:#FF0000">Someone who does not want to see the contents of my books benefit Brazil</span>, the Portuguese-speaking countries and the world resolved to vote on the elimination of the article "Gea" in Wikipedia. Thus, even before the result of the vote from occurring, added to the article title is my name on the work the data "Gea" and also on the "Golden Guitar", another article about my works. Whatever the result will not be Google or Wikipedia to get me shut up and do not make the slightest question that eliminate whatever it is about me - just record the fact here so that people know how to be a writer in Brazil. - CCDB 6/10/2010 "
:I highlighted in red the part that stuck out to me. Note: I'm not trying to make a point by quoting this guy; just helping you decide wether the article contains advertising or not. Maybe I'm wrong. I would like to believe the best, but it's difficult after reading ''that'' link.[[User:Wekn reven i susej eht|<font color="blue">'''Wekn '''</font><font color="purple">'''reven i susej eht'''</font>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Wekn reven i susej eht|Talk•]] [[Special:Contributions/Wekn reven i susej eht|Follow]]</sup></small> 12:42, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
::My ''duo quartuncia'' by citing one of the article deletion guidelines to help cool everything down: 'commenting on people rather than the article is considered disruptive.' There. [[User:Wekn reven i susej eht|<font color="blue">'''Wekn '''</font><font color="purple">'''reven i susej eht'''</font>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Wekn reven i susej eht|Talk•]] [[Special:Contributions/Wekn reven i susej eht|Follow]]</sup></small> 12:46, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
:::I bet I could edit the article to help move it towards WP standards. [[User:Wekn reven i susej eht|<font color="blue">'''Wekn '''</font><font color="purple">'''reven i susej eht'''</font>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Wekn reven i susej eht|Talk•]] [[Special:Contributions/Wekn reven i susej eht|Follow]]</sup></small> 12:48, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

***DO NOT DELETE*** You don't have any real reason for that. Let the information live and free!! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/189.5.247.206|189.5.247.206]] ([[User talk:189.5.247.206|talk]]) 12:56, 16 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::::@<s>[[Special:Contributions/189.5.247.206|189.5.247.206]]: Please stop repeating "do not delete" in bold letters.</s> I'm not vouching for its deletion; only wikification. I just edited the links. [[User:Wekn reven i susej eht|<font color="blue">'''Wekn '''</font><font color="purple">'''reven i susej eht'''</font>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Wekn reven i susej eht|Talk•]] [[Special:Contributions/Wekn reven i susej eht|Follow]]</sup></small> 13:15, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::Sorry! I mistook your IP adress for someone else's. [[User:Wekn reven i susej eht|<font color="blue">'''Wekn '''</font><font color="purple">'''reven i susej eht'''</font>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Wekn reven i susej eht|Talk•]] [[Special:Contributions/Wekn reven i susej eht|Follow]]</sup></small> 13:17, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

--- I consider the work of the CCDB very important.
And all who know his work as a musician, sound engineer and writer, should have more respect for his work.
It seems to me that this is a form of persecution for the CCDB work, promoted by the antiuser.
I think you, Mr antiuser can better use of your time doing positive things, instead of trying to destroy the
work of a person as CCDB. - Gil Evan - 06/16/2011---

:<s>Wait! Did you just refer to Claudio as ''her''?</s>
::Now Claudio is a ''the''? [[User:Wekn reven i susej eht|<font color="blue">'''Wekn '''</font><font color="purple">'''reven i susej eht'''</font>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Wekn reven i susej eht|Talk•]] [[Special:Contributions/Wekn reven i susej eht|Follow]]</sup></small> 14:33, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

**Dear Wekn reven: good day! I see that you are sincerely trying to 'wikify' the article [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] removing from there the links you consider invalid. But you let there only the links which relates that author to his past life as member of [[Os Mutantes]] group. I understand that your purpose is good, but the removing of some links to pages where Mr. Baptista is presented as an author will appear also as an attempt to minimize or hide that important part of his work. You removed those links perhaps to separate the pages [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] and the page [[Géa]]. As both are under discussion for deleting, if the article [[Géa]] is deleted there will be no external references in the page [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] to show his work as an author of that and other books. Please study again all the links (I see that you can read Portuguese from your other entries here) and insert again the ones you think valid to show his work as a writer, in the page entitled with his name. To help in that study, I am reproducing here the complete series of the links:
::Well, it turns out Claudio's site has enough on the book anyways. The links that have been provided are identical to those from Géa.[[User:Wekn reven i susej eht|<font color="blue">'''Wekn '''</font><font color="purple">'''reven i susej eht'''</font>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Wekn reven i susej eht|Talk•]] [[Special:Contributions/Wekn reven i susej eht|Follow]]</sup></small> 15:04, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
:::A note to the guy who claimed antiuser was 'masking' his being from Brazil w/an Italian flag: on his user page, he says "Hi, I'm antiuser, also known in the real world as Adriano. I'm a Brazilian-born Italian who lives in Seattle...". Please be kind to him in the future. [[User:Wekn reven i susej eht|<font color="blue">'''Wekn '''</font><font color="purple">'''reven i susej eht'''</font>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Wekn reven i susej eht|Talk•]] [[Special:Contributions/Wekn reven i susej eht|Follow]]</sup></small> 15:09, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
:::A note to the guy who claimed antiuser was 'masking' his being from Brazil w/an Italian flag: on his user page, he says "Hi, I'm antiuser, also known in the real world as Adriano. I'm a Brazilian-born Italian who lives in Seattle...". Please be kind to him in the future. [[User:Wekn reven i susej eht|<font color="blue">'''Wekn '''</font><font color="purple">'''reven i susej eht'''</font>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Wekn reven i susej eht|Talk•]] [[Special:Contributions/Wekn reven i susej eht|Follow]]</sup></small> 15:10, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

*We are in trouble with this Claudio Dias Baptista himself or his supporters in the articles about Os Mutantes members, see [[Rita Lee]] discussion and [[Arnaldo Dias Baptista]]. The editor wants "a place in the sun" in anyway... His article on Wiki-pt has the same problems and tags.. personal interest conflits, neutrality, controversy et all [http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cl%C3%A1udio_C%C3%A9sar_Dias_Baptista] [[User:MachoCarioca|MachoCarioca]] ([[User talk:MachoCarioca|talk]]) 15:13, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

==== External links ====
*{{pt icon}} {{en icon}} [http://www.ccdb.gea.nom.br/ Official site]
*http://whiplash.net/materias/opinioes/000575-mutantes.html
*http://revistatrip.uol.com.br/155/desplugados/01.htm
*http://www.viceland.com/blogs/br/tag/ccdb/
*http://www.bymk.com.br/usuarios/ccdb
*http://fudeus.wordpress.com/2007/06/04/ando-meio-desligado/
*http://audiolist.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2653
*http://www.rockemgeral.com.br/2008/02/14/primeiro-mutante-claudio-cesar-dias-baptista-trabalha-duro-como-escritor-e-luta-para-ver-seus-livros-publicados/
*http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cl%C3%A1udio-C%C3%A9sar-Dias-Baptista/171483659539558
*http://blog.guitarlick.com.br/2009/06/04/falando-em-memoria/
*http://www.pierdeipanema.com.br/en/node/95
*http://sinistersaladmusikal.wordpress.com/category/mutantes/
*http://acervodorockroll.blogspot.com/2009/01/os-mutantes.html
*http://www.muzplay.net/musica/os-mutantes
*http://www.allmusic.com/artist/arnaldo-p324276
*http://www.lastfm.com.br/music/O'seis
*http://www.dynamiteinfo.com.br/portal/view_coluna_antiga.cfm?materia=780
*http://www.red.unb.br/index.php/emtempos/article/viewFile/3355/2933
*http://agoraerock.forumeiros.com/t305-pre-mutantes-o-seis-1966
*http://www.htforum.com/vb/archive/index.php/t-16872.html
*http://www.tocastudio.com.br/index2.html
*http://www.somaovivo.mus.br/download.php?acao=pesq1
*http://www.odegrau.com/mutantes.html
*http://www.blogar.com.br/pass/2003/06/index.html
*http://ouniversomusical.blogspot.com/2009/12/os-mutantes.html
*http://teen.ibge.gov.br/ibgeteen/datas/rock/curiosidades.html
*http://rocknhome.net/v1/index.php?page=verartigo&id=360
*http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2699346-a-divina-com-dia-dos-mutantes
*http://www.torres-rs.tv/site/pags/almanaque2.php?id=183
*{{en icon}} http://musicabrasileira.org/mutantes/

The link for "Revista Trip" opens a great reporting about the author as a writer, not only one of [[Os Mutantes]]- please read that reporting! The link to blog "Fudeus" shows the impression the journalist had about Mr. Baptista and is important. The link to "Viceland" shows a complete reporting about the author as a writer, not as one of Os Mutantes. And so on. Please visit al the pages from the links and reconsider. The complete absence of links about the work as a writer sounds strange to all people who saw the article with the links you removed. Thank you for anything you may do to preserve the real facts and the image of the author. [[Special:Contributions/187.13.137.250|187.13.137.250]] ([[User talk:187.13.137.250|talk]]) 14:54, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

:I'm afraid some websites already covered everything but his authorship well enough for a person with Claudio's status. You're right, though, I think there should be something on Géa.[[User:Wekn reven i susej eht|<font color="blue">'''Wekn '''</font><font color="purple">'''reven i susej eht'''</font>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Wekn reven i susej eht|Talk•]] [[Special:Contributions/Wekn reven i susej eht|Follow]]</sup></small> 14:59, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind answer, Wenk Reven. Please insert in the article [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] the links which Professor Júlio Martins presented in the discussions of that article and in the page of discussion of [[Géa]]. Those links are very relevant, I think, to complete the image of Mr. Baptista and to create an more significant article for En Wiki. [[Special:Contributions/187.13.137.250|187.13.137.250]] ([[User talk:187.13.137.250|talk]]) 15:05, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
:Where can I find the professor's links? [[User:Wekn reven i susej eht|<font color="blue">'''Wekn '''</font><font color="purple">'''reven i susej eht'''</font>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Wekn reven i susej eht|Talk•]] [[Special:Contributions/Wekn reven i susej eht|Follow]]</sup></small> 15:13, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Thank you very much, Wekn reven. These are the professor links, which I copied from the code above (in the 'read' tab of this same page you will see the links better):
::: From Backstage magazine, Nº8 (1995) - '''The hidden face of Mutantes''' (original title in portuguese: A Face oculta dos Mutantes)
::::https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B4Imqu0xjVLqZTQyMTdkZGYtOWYxMy00ZjQ2LWI5MzUtMGRiZjdiMGQwMjRm&hl=pt_BR
::: From Backstage magazine, Nº 27 (1997) - '''An audio Luthier''' ( Orig. title in portuguese: Um luthier de áudio)
::::https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B4Imqu0xjVLqNGZiYTkwYWMtNTQxYi00MGI5LTg5MDQtZmZlNzUxMGE4YmU4&hl=pt_BR
:::Música & tecnologia - ed. 28 [1991] - Cover history (Mr. Baptista appears with innovative 12 channel mixer with a size of a4 paper format totally conceived and designed in CADD).
::::https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B4Imqu0xjVLqNjM0YWEyMDQtNTVhOS00ODNhLWJkYzQtNjdiNDU1YzU2MzZj&hl=pt_BR

::: '''http://www.cpdee.ufmg.br/~semea/anais/artigos/JulioMartins1.pdf '''(see page 30).

and

'''https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B4Imqu0xjVLqNzUwZDhlYjQtZWEzZC00NDRjLTk3MTUtOTA4ZDJkNmUzOWE3&hl=pt_BR''' <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/187.13.137.250|187.13.137.250]] ([[User talk:187.13.137.250|talk]]) 16:52, 16 June 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> [[Special:Contributions/187.13.137.250|187.13.137.250]] ([[User talk:187.13.137.250|talk]]) 16:54, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
::Very few of these links could be considered reliable third party references...links to Facebook, forums and blogs would not be suitable.<span style="font-family:Verdana;">'''<font color="Black">[[User:Teapotgeorge|Teapot]]</font>'''<font color="silver">[[User:Teapotgeorge|george]]</font></span>[[User talk:Teapotgeorge|<sup><font color="blue">Talk</font></sup>]] 18:12, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

*'''Comment''' some of this article could be merged into the [[Os Mutantes]] article (but not the individual members articles as MachoCarioca points out).[[User:Seancasey00|Sean]] ([[User talk:Seancasey00|talk]]) 18:38, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

:I used google translate on [http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpt.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDiscussão%3ACláudio_César_Dias_Baptista&act=url the article's talkpage]. Not too sure if CCDB himself is all that happy w/the article. If the user really ''is'' Cláudio. Several users and IP adresses have already made that claim. [[User:Wekn reven i susej eht|<font color="blue">'''Wekn '''</font><font color="purple">'''reven i susej eht'''</font>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Wekn reven i susej eht|Talk•]] [[Special:Contributions/Wekn reven i susej eht|Follow]]</sup></small> 08:06, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
::Sorry, [[User talk:187.13.137.250|187.13.137.250]], but Teapot is right. Facebook and other social networking sites aren't considered suitable sources (apart from 1 or 2 ''very very very'' rare occasions. [[User:Wekn reven i susej eht|<font color="blue">'''Wekn '''</font><font color="purple">'''reven i susej eht'''</font>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Wekn reven i susej eht|Talk•]] [[Special:Contributions/Wekn reven i susej eht|Follow]]</sup></small> 08:10, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
:::[[User talk:187.13.137.250|187.13.137.250]] was another IPsock of Mr. Baptista's and has been blocked as such. <span style="color:green;background:green">X</span><span style="color:white;background:white">X</span><span style="color:red;background:red">X</span> '''[[User:antiuser|antiuser]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:antiuser|eh?]]</sup> 08:43, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Thanks, Antiuser! I was wondering about that. [[User:Wekn reven i susej eht|<font color="blue">'''Wekn '''</font><font color="purple">'''reven i susej eht'''</font>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Wekn reven i susej eht|Talk•]] [[Special:Contributions/Wekn reven i susej eht|Follow]]</sup></small> 08:50, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

**'''Dear Wekn''', thank you for cleaning-up the article. Please inser the links in the article who present Mr. Baptista not only as a member of Os Mutantes, but also as a writer - the links are above. Please reconsider this deletion '09:11, 17 June 2011 Wekn reven i susej eht (talk | contribs) (7,670 bytes) (Advertisement deletion) (undo) '. The number of month/publications of Revista Nova Eletrônica - EDITELE cannot be an advertisement, because the Revista (Magazine) and the own EDITELE (publishing house) doesn't exist anymore: it existed during the decade 1977 to 1987. So, the mention of the numbers of exemplars has the only purpose to show the importance that magazine had in that time, never to work as an advertisement. You are trying to do justice, it's easy to see from your comments and acts; please honor that position and undo that deletion. Regards - - [[Special:Contributions/187.13.59.122|187.13.59.122]] ([[User talk:187.13.59.122|talk]]) 12:22, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
::187.13.59.122: his website already says enough about that. Notice to all 187.13... IP adresses: '''please note that this is not a majority vote, but instead a discussion among Wikipedia contributors. Wikipedia has policies and guidelines regarding the encyclopedia's content, and consensus is gauged based on the merits of the arguments, not by counting votes.''' Thank you. [[User:Wekn reven i susej eht|<font color="blue">'''Wekn '''</font><font color="purple">'''reven i susej eht'''</font>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Wekn reven i susej eht|Talk•]] [[Special:Contributions/Wekn reven i susej eht|Follow]]</sup></small> 12:53, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

*'''Reluctant, weak keep.''' Reluctant, because there is a blatant campaign of self-promotion going on here. On the article talk page, it is explained that Mr. Baptista did not himself write this article, but the complex explanation (where the article author edits from Mr Baptista's house, using his account) makes it clear that they are close. Whoever wrote it, the article was [[User talk:Ccdb|posted here by User:Ccdb]], a [[WP:SUL|SUL]] account (i.e., active on more than one Wikipedia) whose [[:pt:Usuário:Ccdb|Portuguese user page]] makes clear that it is Mr. Baptista himself. Moreover, [http://www.ccdb.gea.nom.br/ccdb_his_books_and_his_purpose.html his website] prominently displays links to the Wikipedia articles, and he has been [http://forum.citizendium.org/index.php?action=printpage;topic=3266.0 trying to post articles in Citizendium] about himself and his book. The flood of [[WP:SPA|single-purpose]] accounts and IPs on the two AfDs is also an indication of an off-wiki campaign.

:Also reluctant because of the behaviour of Mr Baptista's supporters on these two AfDs, including sockpuppetry, long irrelevant harangues, and personal attacks on those who disagree. [[User:Antiuser]], who has taken part in the debates although he was not the nominator, has on his user page a list of twelve articles he has written: in the last few days every one of those articles was vandalised by Brazilian IPs in the 187.13 and 187.14 ranges. That kind of behaviour should not be tolerated, let alone rewarded.

:All that makes me want to find a way to say ''delete'', but I have to conclude that enough references have been produced, mainly those relating to Mr. Baptista's previous career as an inventor and musician, to make an article possible. The present version will need to be heavily edited, it should concentrate on those aspects of his career that are actually notable (inventions, Os Mutantes etc), and it will need to be watched to make sure that our [[WP:COI|''conflict of interest'']] policy is observed, and the page is not used by Mr. Baptista and his fans as a base for promoting himself, his "bio-relativity" theories or his book. [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD|talk]]) 13:07, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
**Well put![[User:Wekn reven i susej eht|<font color="blue">'''Wekn '''</font><font color="purple">'''reven i susej eht'''</font>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Wekn reven i susej eht|Talk•]] [[Special:Contributions/Wekn reven i susej eht|Follow]]</sup></small> 13:11, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

***::'''Gentlemen''': People who know Mr. Baptista know he always avoided publicity, which is why they call him "The Hidden Mutante." The pages posted on his website about the Pt Wiki contains Screenshots of Pt Wiki pages "Cláudio César Dias Baptista" and "Géa" that were created by someone other than himself. Screenshots are irrefutable. These screenshots show that the pages have suffered vandalism, when someone interested in wrest them entered double letters in the names of links that rendered them useless and also demonstrate the process of deconstructing which the pages "Cláudio César Dias Baptista" and "Géa" suffered in the Pt Wiki. These processes culminated with the erasure of the page "Géa" in Wiki Pt and its substitution by the page "Gea" of an italian comic magazine with absolutely no expression (see, please, the visitation of that page). Mr. Baptista does what any self-respecting person would make: He exposes the attacks suffered and shows screenshots of the pages before and after these attacks. Yes, they are attacks and they are not a sincere desire to improve Pt Wiki pages. Who, unsuspecting, just skim over the pages of the site of Mr. Baptista (especially if you do not read well Portuguese) might think, '- What I see here are well-intentioned pages against the En Wiki'. But if you study in depth these pages you will see that it is a simple act of defending his good name and not an attempt at publicity. [[Special:Contributions/187.13.59.122|187.13.59.122]] ([[User talk:187.13.59.122|talk]]) 15:05, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
::: "He exposes the attacks suffered and shows screenshots of the pages" - that right there is the problem. The user has [[WP:OWN|article ownership]] issues and reacts to any edits as if it was censorship or an attack on his person. That's how this whole debacle got started, anyway. <span style="color:green;background:green">X</span><span style="color:white;background:white">X</span><span style="color:red;background:red">X</span> '''[[User:antiuser|antiuser]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:antiuser|eh?]]</sup> 18:25, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
:::: Also, even though Mr. Baptista says he's "internationally known as the hidden mutante", all references to that moniker on Google come from Baptista himself. <span style="color:green;background:green">X</span><span style="color:white;background:white">X</span><span style="color:red;background:red">X</span> '''[[User:antiuser|antiuser]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:antiuser|eh?]]</sup> 18:29, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::'''Note''' [[Special:Contributions/187.13.59.122|187.13.59.122]] was an IP sock of Mr. Baptista's and has been blocked (as was [[Special:Contributions/187.13.119.213|187.13.119.213]] and [[Special:Contributions/187.13.46.232|187.13.46.232]]) -[[User:Seancasey00|Sean]] ([[User talk:Seancasey00|talk]]) 20:00, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

* Out of all the external links posted by Mr. Baptista above, and I've checked all of them, only a few meet [[WP:RS]], and those give ''overwhelmingly'' more weight to his career as an inventor and engineer and his connection to [[Os Mutantes]] than his literary work. In fact, the majority of the references to his work as an author are taken from Baptista himself (in interviews or from his own website), and one of the links is an interview about his struggle in getting his books published. In my opinion, if the article is kept it needs a serious rewrite so as not to give [[WP:UNDUE|undue]] weight to his recent work and focus on what he might be notable for. <span style="color:green;background:green">X</span><span style="color:white;background:white">X</span><span style="color:red;background:red">X</span> '''[[User:antiuser|antiuser]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:antiuser|eh?]]</sup> 20:29, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

*****'''The few gentlemen''' who deleted the page "Géa" in History will not be: yea, in a dark corner of English Wikipedia, such as those who put out the page of a great work and attacked and insulted a great author. ~~~~'

:::'''Dear sirs''': You have erased the books in page [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] as if the books were less important than the musical instruments he manufactured for [[Os Mutantes]]. Mr. Baptista is an author, as it's shown in his work to Nova Eletrônica Magazine and in the links of Professor Júlio Martins. You are erasing from the article precious information about the person, distorting his image. If Mr. Baptista wrote the books "Géa", ")que(", "Geínha", "CCDB - Gravação Profissional" and "We, Mutantes", these works should be mentioned in his page, if they cannot have separate pages for each book. Erasing page [[Géa]] is a thing the administrators can do and try to find justifications for the act; but erasing the names of the books Mr. Baptista wrote is a not justifiable excess. ~~~~

::'''Do not delete'''. The article would benefit of a text like this, without violating any En Wiki rules: "It's remarkable in the biography of Cláudio César Dias Baptista he has written the books "CCDB - Gravação Profissional" (textbook, 1010 pages, co-authored with his son Rafael Borges Dias Baptista), "Géa" (fiction, twelve volumes of 250 pages and a dictionary of 1000 pages), ") que (" (fiction, one volume of 310 pages) and "Geínha" (juvenile, twelve volumes of 250 pages)." ~~~~

 

APAGANDO A HISTÓRIA DO BRASIL

Um dos brasileiros que atacaram as páginas “Géa” e “Cláudio César Dias Baptista” na English Wikipedia (En Wiki) apagou nas páginas “Os Mutantes”, “Rita Lee” e em todas as páginas dos álbuns dos Mutantes (que permanecem na En Wiki) a seguinte parte da história do conjunto que Raphael Vilardi e eu criamos (eis a cópia do código-fonte da parte apagada):

"The musical instruments of Os Mutantes, as the Golden Guitar (Guitarra de Ouro) and special sound effects and pedals, as the sewing-machine motor effect in the song "Bat Macumba" and the Guitar Synthesizer Sérgio played in Tudo Foi Feito Pelo Sol were all created by [[Cláudio César Dias Baptista]] - CCDB, the elder brother of Arnaldo and Sérgio. With Raphael Vilardi, Cláudio founded the musical group "The Thunders", first of all groups which resulted in Os Mutantes. The Golden Guitar (Guitarra de Ouro) can be heard in the "Os Mutantes" album and in many other albums of the same group. Today Cláudio is best known as a writer, author of the opus [[Géa]] (with twice the lexicon of [[William Shakespeare]] whole opera) and several other books, but he still helps Os Mutantes furnishing circuit information to the new guitars of [[Sérgio Dias]]."

Na página “Rita Lee” o parágrafo apagado mencionava também o teremim que para ela criei e a minha participação no LP “Hoje é o Último Dia do Resto da Sua Vida”, em que toquei zabumba, fiz comentários que se ouvem na gravação, LP esse cujo “som” (como está escrito na capa do LP e no folhedo do CD) foi de minha autoria.

É proibido ter léxicon duas vezes o de William Shakespeare na En Wiki. É proibido ser escritor quando se é um dos Mutantes. Não “é proibido proibir” na En Wiki.

Pergunta: eu me tornei persona non grata à En Wiki por causa desta página (a que você lê agora) e destas outras páginas (CCDB na Pt Wikipédia e CCDB na Pt Wikipédia versão antiga) em meu site e por esse motivo meu nome e obra são apagados lá? Ou esta página (a que você lê agora) e as páginas dos links acima nasceram depois que brasileiros atacaram as páginas Pt Wiki e da En Wiki onde meu nome e obra apareciam e minha história era contada, parte da História do Brasil que tais brasileiros apagaram? - CCDB 19-06-2011.

 

MEDITE NESTE NOVO DADO

A estatística abaixo mostra parte da visitação de meu site, colhida em 30 de Junho de 2011 com o aplicativo Awstats, a partir de uma página externa. Compare o que nela encontrar com o código-fonte da discussão, mais acima nesta página, e tire suas próprias conclusões - o dado encabeça essa lista, com cento e vinte sete visitas ao meu site, por uma única determinada pessoa, em Junho.

Eis o que se achava na página de usuário de Antiuser, na En Wiki:

Hi, I'm '''antiuser''', also known in the real world as Adriano. I'm a [[Brazil|Brazilian]]-born [[Italy|Italian]] who lives in [[Seattle]], [[Washington]], [[United States]].
-
*[[Cantagalo, Brazil]] - A tiny city close to where I used to live.

O próprio Antiuser eliminou esse dado de sua página em 27 de Junho de 2011 mas você poderá encontrá-lo se entrar em sua “User Page” e comparar o conteúdo atual com o da revisão dessa data.

Pergunto: quem nasce no Brasil é o quê? Italiano? Brasileiro? Quem mais atacou as páginas “Cláudio César Dias Baptista” e “Géa” na En Wiki é o quê?

- CCDB 30-06-2011 e 03-07-2011

CERTA JUSTIÇA QUE NUNCA FALHA

Mas há certa Justiça que nunca falha! Ou terá sido um efeito da Maldição da Guitarra de Ouro? Veja abaixo o que aconteceu com o "Antiuser"...

 

CCDB 18-06-2011, 19-06-2011, 30-06-2011 e 19-05-2012

 

CCDB na Wikipédia - refere-se tão-somente à Wikipédia em português (PT WIKI)

CCDB na Wikipédia, página antiga - refere-se tão-somente à Wikipédia em português (PT WIKI)

Guitarra de Ouro na Wikipédia - refere-se tão-somente à Wikipédia em português (PT WIKI)

CCDB na English Wikipedia - refere-se tão-somente à Wikipédia em inglês (EN WIKI)

CCDB na WIKINEWS

GÉA na WIKINEWS


Por que utilizo os serviços do Google?

 

CCDB 02-08-2012